Seriously Bummed Out

[Str8crazy23]

So a gentleman I met in the gym who has been into body building for awhile turned me onto a website he uses to order from. He told me he had never had any issues so I did my research & ordered (2) 10ml vials of cyp 250. I have been researching cyp for awhile & had planned to do my first cycle using the pyramid method. I was going to save the second vial for another cycle next year as I read the shelf life is about two years. I already have what I need post cycle.

Long story short all was going well until the order hit customs in NY. I’m in NC. I knew something was up because the package never move from there. Then I got a letter saying it has been seized. I’m already aware I simply don't need to respond & that my address is flagged for life.

The site offers to ship the order again in two weeks to a diff address or give me half my money back. I spent $150 on the two vials & I guess Im just really bummed. At this point I don't know whether to get my money back or try again with another address. The whole thing just sucks… I mean I feel people should be able to order fucking cyp with no prescription to use at their discretion. I guess Im just looking for advice on what to do next. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I honestly believe the dude that gave me the website.. he says he's ordered tons of time w no issue so I guess I just have shitty luck.

[s1nc1ty]

Ordering shit in mail there is always small chance something goes wrong you have to take that into consideration. I doubt your aadress is flagged for life but possibly for some time. I dont know how the shit is in the usa. But thats why i prefer buying hand to hand. Ask around from friends maybe they know a dealer or ask from the big guys in the gym. Buying test aint like buying a brick of coke. People pretty open about it atleast here where i live
You can even try in those bodybuilding supplement etc stores when other customers aint around that you need testosterone . They did tv experiment here like that with hidden cam and from 5 stores 2 of the guys replied that yea if you know how to hush hush then sure

[Str8crazy23]

Thank You. Crazy part is I know two friends who are actually prescribed it. Problem is one of them gets the gel which I have tried and… that stuff is a waste of time lol. The other guy does get the files but they only prescribe him a 1 ml vile each time & is to pin every two weeks which to me is nuts because even for someone like him with low test… 1ml of 200 every two weeks is a waste of time. Then again Im not a doctor so just an opinion.

[Test Monsterone]

A lot of websites give you a choice to select which warehouse to order from (UK, Middle East, US). Just order domestic.

[Cylon357]

A lot of websites give you a choice to select which warehouse to order from (UK, Middle East, US). Just order domestic.

Domestic for the win!

OP, of the two choices you have in your situation, I would probably try for reship and hope for the best. Or maybe see if they have a domestic warehouse and apply the 1/2 credit to your new order.

[Str8crazy23]

I had no idea! This place shipped from Belgium which I thought was a bad idea from the gate. I had no idea some have domestic warehouses. I have a friend in Texas that says she is more than happy to have it shipped to her and assuming it arrives ok she said she would ship to me. Do you think her shipping it from Texas would be an issue? Not sure if domestic mail is scanned, I would feel horrible if something happened and she got in trouble. She said she could fed ex it to me and I told her I would do some research online to see what best way for her to ship to me would be. As for the site I was turned on to… I just looked & dont see domestic option. Its all like Singapore, etc. I wont put the site name out because to protect them but will say it has VIP in the name if any of you are familiar. At this point Im really leaning to have it reshipped because its old money & I really want my shit. Im just worried about her getting it from TX to NC.

[Cylon357]

I had no idea! This place shipped from Belgium which I thought was a bad idea from the gate. I had no idea some have domestic warehouses. I have a friend in Texas that says she is more than happy to have it shipped to her and assuming it arrives ok she said she would ship to me. Do you think her shipping it from Texas would be an issue? Not sure if domestic mail is scanned, I would feel horrible if something happened and she got in trouble. She said she could fed ex it to me and I told her I would do some research online to see what best way for her to ship to me would be. As for the site I was turned on to… I just looked & dont see domestic option. Its all like Singapore, etc. I wont put the site name out because to protect them but will say it has VIP in the name if any of you are familiar. At this point Im really leaning to have it reshipped because its old money & I really want my shit. Im just worried about her getting it from TX to NC.

If it is packed well and discretely, getting it from TX to NC should be no problem, even via USPS.

The likelihood of a package getting caught in customs is pretty small, you probably just got unlucky on that first one. All that goes out the door if your name is "El Chapo" or "Totally (NOT) a Coke Lord", just be smart and be cool, all should be fine.

[songdog]

I will say this if you do get it one vial is not enough.Where's your stuff for your pct? How about Adex for bloat? You need to do some research before you cycle.And another thing fuck that pyramid shit.You only have 1 1st cycle in which your body really does the most.So don't mess it up you are going to want to run 400 to 500 mg a week.So save your pennies.

[Honkey_Kong]

So a gentleman I met in the gym who has been into body building for awhile turned me onto a website he uses to order from. He told me he had never had any issues so I did my research & ordered (2) 10ml vials of cyp 250. I have been researching cyp for awhile & had planned to do my first cycle using the pyramid method. I was going to save the second vial for another cycle next year as I read the shelf life is about two years. I already have what I need post cycle.

Long story short all was going well until the order hit customs in NY. I’m in NC. I knew something was up because the package never move from there. Then I got a letter saying it has been seized. I’m already aware I simply don't need to respond & that my address is flagged for life.

The site offers to ship the order again in two weeks to a diff address or give me half my money back. I spent $150 on the two vials & I guess Im just really bummed. At this point I don't know whether to get my money back or try again with another address. The whole thing just sucks… I mean I feel people should be able to order fucking cyp with no prescription to use at their discretion. I guess Im just looking for advice on what to do next. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I honestly believe the dude that gave me the website.. he says he's ordered tons of time w no issue so I guess I just have shitty luck.

2 vials of test c isn't really enough to do any cycle.

As far as buying gear goes, don't send any money to any site or any dealer unless you can afford to get burned. You're buying illegal drugs on the black market, you shouldn't expect it to be like buying some milk and eggs at the store. The dealer can rip you off, the gear can be bunk or contaminated, customs can seize it and so on. If you can't afford to lose the gear you bought, then you can't afford to use gear.

That being said, $150 for two vials sounds like you're getting no deal by shopping overseas. You might as well chalk this $150 up as a lesson learned and go find a domestic source. But if you want, have them reship to another address. Your parents probably would let you have packages sent to their house.

[Str8crazy23]

Thank You for this, I can tell it shows pretty badly Im a newbie. Since it was my first run I was just going to run 1cc of 250 a week for 10 weeks (well half a cc the first time and half a cc the last time) so technically 11 weeks. I was scared to pin more than 250 a week my first run because my Test is naturally high… supposedly. Let me explain what I mean. I’m 37 currently but kast year I decided to have a full hormone panel done because I was convinced my test was low. To this day I still wonder if they got my bloods mixed up because the draw was done around noon instead of early morning like it should have been & listen to this shit… at 36 on a noon draw it was like 870. I was shocked so this year before my first cycle I had planned to get another panel done & this time early in the morning like it should be just to know where Im at before I start.

I have clomiphene 50mg for after the cycle but had not bought any aromasin because I did not feel 250 would be enough for me to end up with gyno. Forgive me if I sound like a moron… I have been reading about all of this stuff for months but still have do much to learn. I do want to learn though & I can say Im dedicated to fitness.

[Str8crazy23]

Thank You for replying, I definitely see you are right about the prices. After the comments on this thread I did home work & found an awesome “review” site with alot of real users reviewing the sites they bought from. I decided on a domestic site from now on & the orices are even better. The reviews on Ultima products seem good so if this doesn't work out I will re order from that site. Im pissed because after these comments I learned I could have easily purchased domestically & had the stuff legit in like 3-4 days instead of dealing with all this customs crap. I did get back in contact with the site and give them a new address so fingers crossed for this time!!

[Mooseman33]

what research were u doing if this is the cycle u picked out?

everyone says they did their research yet this is what u came up with?

back to drawing board.

[Str8crazy23]

So from what I read test alone is always the starting point & one must “dial in” properly. I picked 250 because its a low dose and Im a beginner. I needed to see how I will react & also because another guy I met in a fitness group online that actually has naturally low test started with 250 for 12 weeks & had showed me great results in his before & after pictures. He is my same height & our body weight is almost spot on though he is younger than me & had naturally low levels which I don’t. Everything I read online said 250 is generally not a high enough dose to cause gyno issues. So from what I read I thought it would be a great starting point. To me pinning 400 or 500 a week for a first timer without seeing how I react could be dangerous as Ive read cholesterol is affected among other things.

I’m definitely teachable and open to constructive criticism. I’m 37, 5’9, weight fluctuates 162-165. I would love to end up about 180 completely leaned out.

[s1nc1ty]

So from what I read test alone is always the starting point & one must “dial in” properly. I picked 250 because its a low dose and Im a beginner. I needed to see how I will react & also because another guy I met in a fitness group online that actually has naturally low test started with 250 for 12 weeks & had showed me great results in his before & after pictures. He is my same height & our body weight is almost spot on though he is younger than me & had naturally low levels which I don’t. Everything I read online said 250 is generally not a high enough dose to cause gyno issues. So from what I read I thought it would be a great starting point. To me pinning 400 or 500 a week for a first timer without seeing how I react could be dangerous as Ive read cholesterol is affected among other things.

I’m definitely teachable and open to constructive criticism. I’m 37, 5’9, weight fluctuates 162-165. I would love to end up about 180 completely leaned out.

I did same and i think its wise. Any doctor with new medication like this would start lower dose and then raise it. But I think if you gonna do a cycle 250 will probably not give you good enough gains to be worthwile. If I was you Id start with 250 and after a week or two id raise it if no problems. Maybe to 400

[Mooseman33]

I don't think its wise. how u will react to 250 regarding estrogen is not the same always if u bump it.

I don't think many here will advise a first cycle at 250mg. my point is there are tons and tons of guys here that would advise against it and yet he found 1 fucking guy that sent pics and it worked.

I mean really, biggest concern is cholesterol?

all that said, I hope it all works out.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

The American dream must be all it's hyped up to be if you're getting bummed out about two vials of stuff that makes your muscles bigger.
You mustn't have a care in the world.

[Cuz]

The American dream must be all it's hyped up to be if you're getting bummed out about two vials of stuff that makes your muscles bigger.
You mustn't have a care in the world.

Coming from a guy who shot enough tren to fill Lake Michigan yet has not one thing to show for it.

[Honkey_Kong]

Thank You for this, I can tell it shows pretty badly Im a newbie. Since it was my first run I was just going to run 1cc of 250 a week for 10 weeks (well half a cc the first time and half a cc the last time) so technically 11 weeks. I was scared to pin more than 250 a week my first run because my Test is naturally high… supposedly. Let me explain what I mean. I’m 37 currently but kast year I decided to have a full hormone panel done because I was convinced my test was low. To this day I still wonder if they got my bloods mixed up because the draw was done around noon instead of early morning like it should have been & listen to this shit… at 36 on a noon draw it was like 870. I was shocked so this year before my first cycle I had planned to get another panel done & this time early in the morning like it should be just to know where Im at before I start.

I have clomiphene 50mg for after the cycle but had not bought any aromasin because I did not feel 250 would be enough for me to end up with gyno. Forgive me if I sound like a moron… I have been reading about all of this stuff for months but still have do much to learn. I do want to learn though & I can say Im dedicated to fitness.

Your first cycle and you're going to run a glorified TRT dose? You obviously didn't do any research here, yet you sure seemed to make it here to complain about getting burned by customs.

Your test is naturally high, but you had blood work done and your test is low? That doesn't make sense.

I'll tell you what though with bloodwork. A low or high level on one of the things you're testing for in your bloodwork doesn't mean that you have low or high of that thing. What it means is that at that particular time your bloodwork says your levels were what it says. It's one snapshot. If you want a more accurate assessment, then you need multiple retests so you can make an average of those tests. And you need to make sure your body is well-fed, well hydrated and had plenty of sleep so that your levels test as good as they can when you do those.

[Honkey_Kong]

The American dream must be all it's hyped up to be if you're getting bummed out about two vials of stuff that makes your muscles bigger.
You mustn't have a care in the world.

10 years of tren and your 1rm squat is 100kg... Uncle Fester, you should just stick to writing poetry in your other thread.

[Mooseman33]

The American dream must be all it's hyped up to be if you're getting bummed out about two vials of stuff that makes your muscles bigger.
You mustn't have a care in the world.

keep America out of ur mouth, we are closed to you

[Str8crazy23]

I apologize if I came off sounding like I was complaining, honestly Im just glad to be here. I’ve always been fascinated with fitness & even more so now learning about all of he ins & outs of hormones, peds, etc.

So back in 2021 I had a draw early & my levels were low. However, I wont go into detail but long story short I was also in a really bad relationship for over a decade and had developed all kinds of anxiety. Fast forward to 2022 & we separated. I quit drinking, smoking, etc & have remained that way since. I got the draw last year & it was the exact opposite… high or at least in the high side. I figured it was from life style changes & getting the stress out if my life. I do agree that I need to get more draws. Do you have a recommendation on how many & when so that I can get a clear handle on where Im actually at naturally?

Also for a newbie, would any of you recommend a safe starting test only cycle? Or would you need more info to make a recommendation? Thank you all for everything. I’m really looking forward to being apart of this page & learning.

[Str8crazy23]

Mooseman, if you were in my shoes just starting out and wanted to do a test only cycle what would you go with? I appreciate any & all knowledge.

[Mooseman33]

what are ur full stats?

you are 37 and this is first cycle I think correct?

what exactly are goals of this cycle?

[Str8crazy23]

Yes Sir, 37. Will be first ever cycle of anything. I’m 162, 5’8. Already pretty lean as most of my life I was the skinny kid… age is finally catching me though lol.

Honestly Id like to get up to about 180 completely leaned out. Currently max bench is 185. Id love to be hitting 200 consistently. Ultimately Id like to end up at a solid 180 with little to no body fat.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yes Sir, 37. Will be first ever cycle of anything. I’m 162, 5’8. Already pretty lean as most of my life I was the skinny kid… age is finally catching me though lol.

Honestly Id like to get up to about 180 completely leaned out. Currently max bench is 185. Id love to be hitting 200 consistently. Ultimately Id like to end up at a solid 180 with little to no body fat.

How long have you been training? If you want your bench to go up, do some research in your area and find a good coach. Watch some YouTube videos of guys who lift a lot of weight and study their technique. Then bring your phone on the floor when you're lifting and get a cheap phone stand for it and videotape yourself doing your working sets every week and study what you're doing good and where you're failing. Treat it like any other sport. Make small changes to your technique and practice them until they become habit. Then make more changes as needed doing the same method.

And for the diet what I'd recommend right now is for you to not make any changes to your diet for a week, but record everything you eat and drink including portion sizes. Then after a week figure out the calories and macros you're eating on a daily basis. Then increase the protein by 30 grams per day (this could be a simple protein shake) and reduce your overall caloric intake (if you're trying to lose weight) by a small amount. Small changes to your diet make big differences over time. It could as small as not having a daily candybar (I don't know what your diet is, I'm just using this as an example). The key is to make small changes and when you plateau, make more. Otherwise you'll never stick to it.

And as for how lean you want to be. Be realistic. you think professional bodybuilders are carrying single-digit BF% year round? After their season is over most of them put some fat on.

[s1nc1ty]

nvm...

[Str8crazy23]

Was it something I said Sin City?

[Str8crazy23]

Honkey thank you for all the advice. Currently 5-6 days a week for the past year. To be honest with you, before that I was a couch potato. A regular drinker for 15 years & a smoker for 20 years. I quit the drinking and smoking after the separation and picked up my first year sober about two weeks ago.

Fitness had always been something I dreamed about & I had not even consider doing any sort of “extras” etc until I met a guy in the gym thats pretty hard core into lifting. He was the one that said a cycle would help me blow up rather quick as long as I continued training the same & ate properly. Thats when I started doing all the reading on it.

I will definitely implement what you said, to consistently put the weight on would you say aiming for 3000 calories a day would be right? Thanks again

[Honkey_Kong]

Honkey thank you for all the advice. Currently 5-6 days a week for the past year. To be honest with you, before that I was a couch potato. A regular drinker for 15 years & a smoker for 20 years. I quit the drinking and smoking after the separation and picked up my first year sober about two weeks ago.

Fitness had always been something I dreamed about & I had not even consider doing any sort of “extras” etc until I met a guy in the gym thats pretty hard core into lifting. He was the one that said a cycle would help me blow up rather quick as long as I continued training the same & ate properly. Thats when I started doing all the reading on it.

I will definitely implement what you said, to consistently put the weight on would you say aiming for 3000 calories a day would be right? Thanks again

Right now, I wouldn't focus on any generic calorie number. I would worry about find out what you're currently eating normally. For there we can tweak that a little here and there to meet your goals. If you decide "today I'm going to go from drinking liters of coke, eating junk food nonstop and cut calories down to say 2000 calories when you're used to eating 4000, it's not going to be long before you start having "cheat" days and from there it won't be long before you abandon it.

But let's say you eat 4000 calories per day and we got you to drop to 3800 calories. that's 200 calories dropped. In about 17 or 18 days that's a pound of fat gone (in theory. In practice there will be more or less fat dropped and probably a little muscle too). But you see what I mean? A small little change that you probably won't even notice will over the course of time make actual real differences.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

keep America out of ur mouth, we are closed to you

I might be flying to Californian soon. I made a firmware and emailed it to clients, and they uploaded it to two units and now both units are malfunctioning. Each unit is worth approx $230k, so I've put about half a mil worth of equipment out of action. If I can't fix it remotely over Remote Desktop then I'll have to fly over and do a J-Tag to reprogram it.

I tested the firmware on a unit here in Ireland and it worked fine, so maybe it's your bullshit 120-volt electricity that's the culprit. We do 230-volt over here because we're not retarded.

[Mooseman33]

good u can see ur only friend prox. he lives there or so he says. you both spit so much bullshit who really ever knows.

for fucks sake, you both may be the same person.

[wango]

good u can see ur only friend prox. he lives there or so he says. you both spit so much bullshit who really ever knows.

for fucks sake, you both may be the same person.

Hey moosey, it’s medication time or are you already baked?

[Mooseman33]

trust me, I am on point.

I do not imagine that nobody responds to you or kimbo.
I do not imagine that u were hated as prox, hell even obs failed board rejected you.
I do not imagine that all ur threads are u, kimbo, and sincity.
I do not imagine that you make up ur past.
I do not imagine that even with all the gear you take that u still look like a old weak cali girl.

that is all real, I don't hallucinate that.....

[wango]

moosey diarrhea continues . . .