The pervasiveness of homosexuality

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Homosexuality isn't something new, it's been around for thousands (if not millions) of years, and this is one reason why I'm perplexed that most of the world's biggest and oldest religions don't accommodate this variation -- especially seeing as how it isn't that rare. The odds of any given person being gay are about 6% . . . which is rarer than left-handedness but not nearly as rare as red hair or green eyes.

I say 6% because most estimates are in the range of about 3% to 10%. The figures are a lot lower in Muslim countries, but a lot of people such as myself think that's simply because gay Muslims are less likely to come out publicly. I'm going with around about 6%.

Today I was at the gun range chatting to a guy who was in the army and is now retired in his 40's with a full pension because he took a spinal injury. We were talking about the army in general, and we got on to talking about women in the army. He tells me that about 80% of women in the British army are lesbians. I challenged him on this figure, and the conversation went back and forth a bit, but he wouldn't budge from his stance. He firmly believes that about 80% of the women in the military are lesbian.

I think it would be really interesting if there were a full in-depth documentary made about lesbians in the military, I think it would be very interesting. Maybe the interviewees would have to have blurred faces and masked voices to protect their identity, but still it would make for a very interesting watch. Not sure if Michael Moore would take something like this on.

What are things like in the US military?

[almostgone]

All I'll contribute is depending on the date of service, you're likely to get a broad range of responses.

[stocky121]

I’m not in the know. But for me 80% seems to high

[Fluidic Kimbo]

The retired soldier also made the argument that most 'butch' women are lesbian.

You might be able to argue that testosterone has the effect of inducing gynephilia in humans, and so maybe butch women have more testosterone and are therefore more likely to become lesbian. But there are plenty of girly lesbians around the place too.

Also I'm not sure what he meant by 'butch'. If he means women that look manly then fair enough I'd say quite a lot of them are lesbian -- but if he's just talking about women who have a bit of muscle on their shoulders then I'd actually say most of those women are straight.

[s1nc1ty]

In all honesty, who gives a fuck. The sexual orientation of butch/military women is the last thing my mind would wonder about. If they get captured by enemy they will get fucked by more men then mia khalifa

[Fluidic Kimbo]

In all honesty, who gives a fuck. The sexual orientation of butch/military women is the last thing my mind would wonder about. If they get captured by enemy they will get fucked by more men then mia khalifa

From an anthropological point of view I find it interesting

[Test Monsterone]

I don't doubt that a large part of women in the military, as well as sports, are lesbian. I believe they found lesbians to have higher testosterone , on average, than typical females. In women prisons, almost all of the women are coupled up. I watched an episode of a show depicting a women's prison and one thing stood out to me. All the women, even those who had previous heterosexual relationships or were married, had prison partners. One young girl who was interviewed before entering prison stated she would never get with another woman, that she thinks it's weird, etc. A month or so later they came back and even she had a lesbian partner. I had a previous girlfriend who would get off on watching lesbian porn, but in real life would never do that, and she had opportunities. I just think the female sexuality is more fluid and there may be the protection/belonging factor as well. I'm thinking back to caveman times where men went out to hunt and gather for days or weeks and the women stayed back to take care of the children. Maybe this was an evolutionary trait, to provide and accept comfort from same-sex partners while the men were gone. I know a few lesbian couples, and they all had heterosexual relationships in the past, whereas it seems like most gay men never did. I might also be completely wrong, but that's just my observation.

[s1nc1ty]

I don't doubt that a large part of women in the military, as well as sports, are lesbian. I believe they found lesbians to have higher testosterone, on average, than typical females. In women prisons, almost all of the women are coupled up. I watched an episode of a show depicting a women's prison and one thing stood out to me. All the women, even those who had previous heterosexual relationships or were married, had prison partners. One young girl who was interviewed before entering prison stated she would never get with another woman, that she thinks it's weird, etc. A month or so later they came back and even she had a lesbian partner. I had a previous girlfriend who would get off on watching lesbian porn, but in real life would never do that, and she had opportunities. I just think the female sexuality is more fluid and there may be the protection/belonging factor as well. I'm thinking back to caveman times where men went out to hunt and gather for days or weeks and the women stayed back to take care of the children. Maybe this was an evolutionary trait, to provide and accept comfort from same-sex partners while the men were gone. I know a few lesbian couples, and they all had heterosexual relationships in the past, whereas it seems like most gay men never did. I might also be completely wrong, but that's just my observation.

I think its just the stigma attatched to being gay for males. It is shameful, dishonorable, degrading,etc.Being a cocksucker and a butt boy and all that shit. For females, there is no shame in being gay so they can cross over much easier if need be (like in prison).

[Test Monsterone]

I think its just the stigma attatched to being gay for males. It is shameful, dishonorable, degrading,etc.Being a cocksucker and a butt boy and all that shit. For females, there is no shame in being gay so they can cross over much easier if need be (like in prison).

Yeah, for whatever reason there is less of a stigma with women than men. My question for lesbians, though, is that if they are attracted to women, why do they all mostly look so butch?? My gf's niece is lesbian and she used to be beautiful, with long hair. Now she cuts her hair short and wears baggy clothes and is starting to look worse by the day. It's like, if you're attracted to women that look like men, why not just date men?

[s1nc1ty]

Yeah, for whatever reason there is less of a stigma with women than men. My question for lesbians, though, is that if they are attracted to women, why do they all mostly look so butch?? My gf's niece is lesbian and she used to be beautiful, with long hair. Now she cuts her hair short and wears baggy clothes and is starting to look worse by the day. It's like, if you're attracted to women that look like men, why not just date men?

Im not the expert on this but i was under the impression that usually in lesbian relationship there is the one of them that assumes the masculine/male role in the relationship and sexually etc. And those are the ones that dress and look like boys usually also.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

In women prisons, almost all of the women are coupled up.

When I was living in a homeless hostel and chatting to girls that had been in and out of prison, they told me:

Gay for the stay, and straight out the gate

[Davi Meireles]

Im not the expert on this but i was under the impression that usually in lesbian relationship there is the one of them that assumes the masculine/male role in the relationship and sexually etc. And those are the ones that dress and look like boys usually also.

Yes ! Lol That's why feminine lesbians will always feel attracted to a very man with an athletic body! At the gym where he trained there were a couple of lesbian girls, one of them looked one is the man in the relationship and the other is the woman. A very feminine white girl with long black hair. This girl would sigh when she saw me, me could see the sexual tension that was happening between us.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

So are the following four statements true?

Hard males tend toward gynephilia
Soft females tend toward androphilia
Soft males tend toward androphilia
Hard females tend toward gynephilia

Of course I'm just generalising here, as there are hard men who bang men, and also there are soft women who lick pussy, but across the board I'd say those four statements have a high hit rate.

I think its just the stigma attatched to being gay for males. It is shameful, dishonorable, degrading,etc.Being a cocksucker and a butt boy and all that shit. For females, there is no shame in being gay so they can cross over much easier if need be (like in prison).

I think this is a very good point. And a gay man who cannot accept his orientation is a lot more likely to kill himself than a lesbian who cannot accept her orientation. I reckon so, at least.

[Davi Meireles]

Are you gay Kimbo? Why this discussion about homosexuals

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Are you gay Kimbo? Why this discussion about homosexuals

Nah I'm not gay. This discussion is on my mind primarily for two reasons:
(1) The week before last, I saw the most beautiful thing I ever saw, and it was two lesbians embraced and kissing
(2) I've attended a lot of Christian churches over the past 8 years, and heard all sorts of homophobic preaching

But in general I just find things like this interesting, how a trait can emerge and become common in a community, and even among all of humanity.

[teedoff]

Nah I'm not gay. This discussion is on my mind primarily for two reasons:
(1) The week before last, I saw the most beautiful thing I ever saw, and it was two lesbians embraced and kissing
(2) I've attended a lot of Christian churches over the past 8 years, and heard all sorts of homophobic preaching

But in general I just find things like this interesting, how a trait can emerge and become common in a community, and even among all of humanity.

Preaching what the Bible says about a perversion and or sin, which is a Christians guide for such matters, is not homophobic. That word is a catch all, fad label liberals like to throw onto someone to try to make them look evil!

Phobia means fear. There's no fear of homosexuals.

The Bible also teaches that we shouldn't murder or lie or steal. Is there a phobic word to call people who think one shouldn't commit murder?? Oh those Christians are so murderphobic!....smh