Jews

[XnavyHMCS]

I don’t find it disappointing at all. It is in a separate section that is dedicated & described as “off topic” and states its intent is to allow discussing whatever you want.

I find it encouraging that people can take time from their chemicals, training & diet & are able to discuss (without offending each other, nor introducing divisive politics) a war that is reaching 30,000 deaths & a renewed global resurgence in antisemitism.

Good luck with that (see in bold).

[almostgone]

Good luck with that (see in bold).

Discussion topics have been loosened up quite a bit. You always seem to complain about the quality of the forum. If it isn't satisfactory, there are other forums. We appreciate our members, but there are some restrictions....period

If you're looking for a free for all place to talk about any and everything, this isn't it.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

When I first learned an Asian language 15 - 20 years ago, I was struck by how simple the vocabulary was. In English, if we're talking about money, we might say a word like 'financial' -- but in an Asian language, it's very rare that they deviate from the root word, and so a word like 'financial' comes out as something like 'about money'. An Asian language's word for 'vertigo' will be something like 'head spin'. They don't needlessly complicate things, and they will also re-use smaller words to make a bigger word, for example 'restaurant' is 'food shop'.

The word 'antisemitism' in English is understood by most people to mean 'anti-jewish' -- but nobody ever says anti-jewish.

I sometimes think that our fancy words in English are sometimes used as a barrier to conceal simple meanings.

What makes things a little more complicated nowadays is that there are some non-jewish people who call themselves semites (I know one such guy).

And for those people who are anti-jewish, I don't know if they're against Jews as a religious group, or Jews as a people. I'm trying not to use the word 'race' here because really it's a very grey area and nobody has even proven the existence of race.

[Quester]

Openness is my thing on the O.C.E.A.N. Scale... But, Dammit with to any transitions to easy endpoints for my comment. The transitions, without immediate reactive comment, are very enlightening to the self and are of greater worth than the conclusions. Hitler philosophy wasn't philosophy just the political articulations of the maladaptation of the greater philosophies of Freud, Jung, and Nietzsche. He was no more important than any talking head political figure, except for his responsibility in violating so many universal ethics. You jerks that picked up on this could spend more time developing the idea rather than regurgitating it in a way the average person would accept or reject, rather than to seek validation (negative/positive attention seeking).
Back to Songdongs wishy washy bullshit statement. Does anybody got anything to refute about statement that the Jews are not the Chosen People, that it is us, the christians? ...and Zionism is bad.

[teedoff]

Openness is my thing on the O.C.E.A.N. Scale... But, Dammit with to any transitions to easy endpoints for my comment. The transitions, without immediate reactive comment, are very enlightening to the self and are of greater worth than the conclusions. Hitler philosophy wasn't philosophy just the political articulations of the maladaptation of the greater philosophies of Freud, Jung, and Nietzsche. He was no more important than any talking head political figure, except for his responsibility in violating so many universal ethics. You jerks that picked up on this could spend more time developing the idea rather than regurgitating it in a way the average person would accept or reject, rather than to seek validation (negative/positive attention seeking).
Back to Songdongs wishy washy bullshit statement. Does anybody got anything to refute about statement that the Jews are not the Chosen People, that it is us, the christians? ...and Zionism is bad.

I'll paraphrase the gist of what the Bible teaches......As Christians, not assuming you are one. but I certainly am, we are taught in the Bible that the Israelites are the chosen ppl of God. Plenty of verses that state that very fact.

But, Jesus's crucifixion, burial, and resurrection was blood sacrifice for the remission of sin, for Jew and Gentile alike. Gentiles, by acceptance of Jesus as Lord, are grafted into the family of God, ie the body of Christ or His church.

Not to say that ALL Jews will go to heaven, in fact most Jews deny that Jesus was the Son of God, therefore the prophesied messiah.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Lastnight for the first time, I watched the movie, 'The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas'.

I don't want to spoil the film for those who haven't seen it so I'll be vague.

In the last scene, I had an unexpected emotional reaction. I very much felt a sense of 'Serves you right', and I noted to myself that I wouldn't have tried to save him if I could have.

I'm not sure if I'd say I found the ending gratifying, but I definitely felt a sense of 'Serves you right".

[XnavyHMCS]

Discussion topics have been loosened up quite a bit. You always seem to complain about the quality of the forum. If it isn't satisfactory, there are other forums. We appreciate our members, but there are some restrictions....period

If you're looking for a free for all place to talk about any and everything, this isn't it.

Obviously...

[XnavyHMCS]

Lastnight for the first time, I watched the movie, 'The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas'.

I don't want to spoil the film for those who haven't seen it so I'll be vague.

In the last scene, I had an unexpected emotional reaction. I very much felt a sense of 'Serves you right', and I noted to myself that I wouldn't have tried to save him if I could have.

I'm not sure if I'd say I found the ending gratifying, but I definitely felt a sense of 'Serves you right".

I wasn't aware of a film being made, of the book. I read the book, and I have to agree with you on the "what goes around comes around" aspect of the ending.

Just before Christmas I had a French army buddy come out with his wife and daughter to Krakow, where they saw the sites; one of them being Auschwitz. I went with them on the tour of the two camps. It was like my 5th time to visit, with the first being 25 yrs ago. So much has changed since I was there the first time. 25 yrs ago, you just walked up to the window of the old SS administration building, bought a ticket and went and took yourself on a tour. I'm certain guided tours were available at that time. During this first visit, I entered the only physically intact gas chamber and crematorium, which is ensconced within the confines of Camp I, with what I believed to be a visiting group of British soldiers. Inside the building you enter into the gas chamber, through a short hallway and round a corner to come face to face with the two remaining crematoria ovens. These ovens have some form of "oven rack" (for lack of a better term), which is where the corpses were stacked for pushing into the waiting furnace. These fucking British blokes were climbing up onto the rack and laying down to have their pictures taken... I fancy myself a history buff, but was far from amused at the disrespect and distaste demonstrated by these young guys. In any event, these guys are in posession of some pictures which would be imposible to get today, as the level of security at the camp is tighter than a bull's ass at fly time. Nowadays, you can only visit the camp in a prearranged tour with a guide. You have to pass through a metal detector, taking off your shoes just like at the airport, while being surrounded by some form of armed police force. A shame how the times have changed.

If you ever get the chance to see the camps (Auschwitz I and Birkenau / Camp II), I highly recommend it; the visit will ruin your day. Seeing the piles of prosthetic limbs, eye glasses, human hair (with one of them still lovingly braided by a mother's hands) and shoes in the display cases. What blew my mind, on my first visit, was when I saw the empty cannisters of Zyklon B (the gas employed in the executions), which maintained after all these years the unique signature of how the can was opened. I guess I had always assumed a superior Teutonic machine process, and not the opened by hand method. You can see how one of the SS killers had prised the canister open with the blade of a knife, while another had used some form of triangle can opener. The image of these cans has remained with me up to this day. Security inside the camp was so lax 25 yrs ago, that I was way in the back of Camp II Birkenau, sitting on some small grassy mound, writing down my thoughts in my journal, when a security guard came and told me that the camp had closed like an hour ago. I went several times without a guide, which is impossible nowadays, and I must say that of course; the guided tour is better. About 14 yrs ago, two Polish assholes snuck into Camp I and they climbed up a meter and unbolted the historic Arbeit Macht Frei sign, and they ran off with it. This was the original sign, which was made by some of the first prisoners in the institution. The Polish government fortunately recovered the sign, finding cut in half and secreted away in some wooded area, which apparently was contracted for procurement by some Scandinavian collector, if my aging memory serves me correctly, and of course, the culprits were arrested. From that moment forward, visitation to the camp is only done with a tour guide.

During this last visit, which was with a French speaking guide, the guide said that Israeli tour groups in the past have always been accompanied by their own armed security; something I didn't know. I have a load of pictures, I should upload these...

The camp remains a testament to not only the Holocaust against the Jews, but to mans inhumanity towards our fellow men (and women).

[XnavyHMCS]

Discussion topics have been loosened up quite a bit. You always seem to complain about the quality of the forum. If it isn't satisfactory, there are other forums. We appreciate our members, but there are some restrictions....period

If you're looking for a free for all place to talk about any and everything, this isn't it.

Sorry if I hit a nerve there... It was not my intention.

[wango]

Lastnight for the first time, I watched the movie, 'The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas'.

I don't want to spoil the film for those who haven't seen it so I'll be vague.

In the last scene, I had an unexpected emotional reaction. I very much felt a sense of 'Serves you right', and I noted to myself that I wouldn't have tried to save him if I could have.

I'm not sure if I'd say I found the ending gratifying, but I definitely felt a sense of 'Serves you right".

The Nazis have sure been a source for some good cinema . . .

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I wasn't aware of a film being made, of the book. I read the book, and I have to agree with you on the "what goes around comes around" aspect of the ending.

When they entered the gas chamber and took their clothes off, one of the men was looking at the child, probably at first noticing that he had a full head of hair, and I thought he might notice that the child wasn't circumcised. But I wanted it to happen. I didn't want the SS guy to get there in time. And then as the SS guy stood outside, I felt good about it.

Just before Christmas I had a French army buddy come out with his wife and daughter to Krakow, where they saw the sites; one of them being Auschwitz. I went with them on the tour of the two camps. It was like my 5th time to visit, with the first being 25 yrs ago. So much has changed since I was there the first time.

In March I'm going to Italy to a meditation centre for 10 days of silence, and occasionally I have to leave those courses early, so my backup plan is to get on a train to Poland to go see Auschwitz and Birkenau.

[XnavyHMCS]

When they entered the gas chamber and took their clothes off, one of the men was looking at the child, probably at first noticing that he had a full head of hair, and I thought he might notice that the child wasn't circumcised. But I wanted it to happen. I didn't want the SS guy to get there in time. And then as the SS guy stood outside, I felt good about it.



In March I'm going to Italy to a meditation centre for 10 days of silence, and occasionally I have to leave those courses early, so my backup plan is to get on a train to Poland to go see Auschwitz and Birkenau.

FK,
If you haven't been to Poland; you're going to love it.

Krakow, the city closest to Auschwitz, is the biggest tourist attraction in Poland; the most visited city in the nation. In and around the rynek (market square) there are like 5 UNESCO sites, all within walking distance of each other. If you are coming here, you will have to stay at least 2 nights. Outside of the city there is the Salt Mine in Walyczka. This, along with the concentration camp, is a must see; you will not be disappointed. There are some cool cafes and bars, along with a lively student fueled night life, if you are into that. Don't come here while on a diet, because Polish cuisine is traditionally fatty, but the food is pretty good, but coming from Italy, anywhere you eat is likely to fall far short.

You'll be able to check online, concerning tours to the two camps. You will need to register in advance (I imagine a minimum of 24 hrs, but I don't know for sure, as my old army buddy booked the French speaking tour himself, so I don't know the details.). Concerning the tour: I urge you to spend a bit more and get yourself a more comprehensive tour. The tour that we were on; we were like running a marathon throughout the two camps, with the guide pressing us to keep moving, as the next group was hot on our heels. So, go with a longer, more costly tour.

If you are coming out here, I will come to the city to meet you face to face, if you would like. As long as it is a Saturday (maybe, depends on my bi-weekly university schedule) or a Sunday. I wouldn't want to visit the camp, but the city; I would be down for a tour. We (my girlfriend and I) are going to be in the city in March, for two nights; I'm taking her for her first time visit to a swingers club, which is located just outside of the city; so I may already be there. Shoot me a DM and keep me posted of your plans.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

If you are coming out here, I will come to the city to meet you face to face, if you would like. As long as it is a Saturday (maybe, depends on my bi-weekly university schedule) or a Sunday. I wouldn't want to visit the camp, but the city; I would be down for a tour. We (my girlfriend and I) are going to be in the city in March, for two nights; I'm taking her for her first time visit to a swingers club, which is located just outside of the city; so I may already be there. Shoot me a DM and keep me posted of your plans.

The plan is to stay 10 days at the Italian meditation centre . . . but in recent times when I go to those quiet places, my funniest memories continually come to the surface and I just walk around the place giggling to myself, so then they end up asking me to leave. I have the funniest memories in the world. When I arrive at this new centre I might sell them some bullshit about me having a medical condition that makes me giggle -- I asked ChatGPT just now and it says Tourettes can make people laugh so I might tell them that I have an involuntary tick that sounds like I'm giggling.

Also occasionally it's tortuous experience and I leave of my own accord. But anyway I'm hoping to stay there for the 10 days, but if I leave early I'll DM you and get on a train to Krakow. I still wanna shoot a boar with a bow and arrow.

[Quester]

But, Jesus's crucifixion, burial, and resurrection was blood sacrifice for the remission of sin, for Jew and Gentile alike. Gentiles, by acceptance of Jesus as Lord, are grafted into the family of God, ie the body of Christ or His church.

Not to say that ALL Jews will go to heaven, in fact most Jews deny that Jesus was the Son of God, therefore the prophesied messiah.

1-John3:16 was for those who accept it, not those who don't even, jews.
2-Why would jews follow someone whom they refused and in whom they do not believe, do not believe in John 3:16, do not believe in heaven, why would any go there? Where in the bible does it say as such?
3-The Torrah, the Old Testament, states jews are Our God's chosen people. In book two, The New Testament, they turned their back on Our God.
4-No, anti-semitism is in no way similar to anti-zionism.
5-We are all aware by now that some people on this site are allotted more leeway. Therefore, ethics suggest that all are given the same courtesy. However, if you feel you are one of those people, perhaps you should police yourself...ethics.

[Quester]

Additionally, Christ does not care who I vote or what I vote for. He loves America. And, he is against Sharia law and the baptist's equivalent. Jesus Loves the United States!

[wango]

Oh no, continuing the war during Ramadan? How immoral & inhumane! Uh, I guess everyone kind of forgot about the Yom Kippur war.

[Quester]

Oh no, continuing the war during Ramadan? How immoral & inhumane! Uh, I guess everyone kind of forgot about the Yom Kippur war.

War is war, what difference when it is fought? Both sides, and all groups fight when it is to their advantage or, when forced. However, it's hard to call it a war when it is an entire nation against a bunch of terrorists that control a society that has no other organization controlling it. Like the FBI indiscriminately fire-bombing an entire portion of Texas instead of targeting David Koresh.

[wango]

War is war, what difference when it is fought? Both sides, and all groups fight when it is to their advantage or, when forced. However, it's hard to call it a war when it is an entire nation against a bunch of terrorists that control a society that has no other organization controlling it. Like the FBI indiscriminately fire-bombing an entire portion of Texas instead of targeting David Koresh.

I’m all for Israel attacking. It’s just there are plenty of protesters (including Arabs) bemoaning the fact that it’s during their holy days, when they did the same to Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

Waco? Small potatoes. We incinerated/killed over 100,000 civilians in one night in Tokyo to try to get Japan to surrender (and did the same to several-dozen smaller Japanese cities). Regrettably that wasn’t enough lives lost for them to surrender. Yes indeed, war is war. The country has gone soft apparently.

[teedoff]

1-John3:16 was for those who accept it, not those who don't even, jews.
2-Why would jews follow someone whom they refused and in whom they do not believe, do not believe in John 3:16, do not believe in heaven, why would any go there? Where in the bible does it say as such?
3-The Torrah, the Old Testament, states jews are Our God's chosen people. In book two, The New Testament, they turned their back on Our God.
4-No, anti-semitism is in no way similar to anti-zionism.
5-We are all aware by now that some people on this site are allotted more leeway. Therefore, ethics suggest that all are given the same courtesy. However, if you feel you are one of those people, perhaps you should police yourself...ethics.

Right here is one verse that plainly said that. in your first bullet point
“For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth” (Deut. 14:2)."

But agian, as I said in my last statement. Not all jews...or I should have said, not all of isreal, have accepted that Jesus was/is the messiah. They did deny him. But SOME have. I have met some from Isreal that are Christians.

Additionally, Christ does not care who I vote or what I vote for. He loves America. And, he is against Sharia law and the baptist's equivalent. Jesus Loves the United States!

God doesnt love America.....He loves his children, and America has for the most part, been the nation with the most Christians in modern times, therefore America has been blessed as a nation for hororing him.... as God promised. And he does care who you vote for....or more generally, he cares about your life and how much you show his love.

[Quester]

To Teedoff's last comment:
Deuteronomy, of the OLD Testament is not the primary book of my religion. In the Old Testament, there was just God. The Good News is in The NEW Testament and we worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Jesus came not to replace but to add to the old. The New Testament makes a promise to Christians, those who accept the Good News, those who accept John 3:16. Jews do not have the Trinity, because they do not accept John 3:16. Therefore, they are not my God's (Father, Son and Holy Ghost), not my God's chosen people and the New Testament makes no mention of them as his people.
To Wango's last comment:
Agreed, with the exception that we were at war with Japan, formally and declared as according to the laws of society. Palestine is not a country, the civilians of Palestine citizens of Israel and are wards of Israel. The civilians of Palestine are not at war, as the civilians of Japan were, therefore they are not legitimate targets of war, approved war fighting nor war crimes. The terrorists, rapists murderers...are criminals, not war fighters, not representative of any country other than Iran. The Israelis need to snuff out the terrorists, with our support, as I also support the defense of civilians against the brutalities of terrorism. However, although you may be tempted besmirch the American record by pointing out where we have gone astray, we do not justify practicing the type of barbarity that Israel is committing. We invest in smart-bombs, precision munitions, reconnaissance and intelligence collection in order to reduce the damage caused to those whom we say we are not targeting. We refrain from offensives until the risk level is appropriate. We bring food aid, humanitarian aid, etc. and share it with the populations of the countries which we occupy. We lead international NGOs in support of the civilian population. We do all this in other countries. Israel is attacking citizens of its own country, preventing aid and food from being distributed to members of its own population. Yes, I am proud to be an American, supportive of rooting out terrorism and punishing criminals however, indiscriminate killing and apathy to the plight of civilians is anathema to my culture and my Christianity!

[wango]

Israel has got a delicate touch - what a “hallmark greeting card” to Hama’s top political leader. Nothing says we want to find some mutual ground like offing 3 of his kids & 4 of his grandchildren.

[Quester]

I'll paraphrase the gist of what the Bible teaches......As Christians, not assuming you are one. but I certainly am, we are taught in the Bible that the Israelites are the chosen ppl of God. Plenty of verses that state that very fact.

Verses? Verses? Don't we need the Verses? What verse? If your a christian, as stated greater than I (thats to be decided later, not in this life) but, if you are a christian-with your verses, share them.

[Quester]

My appologies

[teedoff]

What kind of Chrisitan, low church, or High Church? Your verses statement but not sharing them comment suggest you are from the protesting realm. Interesting how the man of red letters, Billy Graham, dumbed everyone down and now they just wave their hands in the air and practice their faith in the voting both while stating other aren't as Christian as them.

I have no clue what a low church or high church is. Not do I know what a protesting realm is.

But I'm not here to get into a pissing match with you, and you seem very confrontational and condescending. I simply stated what I believe, If you need versus, then read for yourself.

And your previous comment. Not sure where I ever said I was a greater Christian than anyone. I'm not.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

We all know that the real solution to all this nonsense to get all the hottest Israeli and hottest Palestinian girls together to make a calendar, and to summon Bob Geldoff to sell the calendars worldwide at his peace concerts to fund the rebuilding in Palestine (€20 normal price, €10 concession price).

No matter how much I hear about the Israel-Palestine situation, I'm not going to form an opinion about an argument taking place 2500 miles away, in a place I've never been to, between peoples whose languages I don't speak. If you learn stuff from history books, just remember it's the victors who get to compose those chapters to be put into those books.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Wango, did you finish reading Mein Kampf?

[wango]

Wango, did you finish reading Mein Kampf?

No. I moved on to other books and just never got back to it.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

No. I moved on to other books and just never got back to it.

I found it shit after the first few pages.

Lately I'm watching foreign language TV shows on Netflix . . . I give them so much more of my attention because I have to read the subtitles. I suppose it gets me out of my head a bit more when I have to focus a bit more.

Lastnight I was watching the Swedish one "An Almost Normal Family".

[Davi Meireles]

Weren't the Jews the decision to release Barabbas instead of Jesus when he was crucified? If you analyze yes, they were all Jews.

[XnavyHMCS]

I have had a good laugh here recently, with the ICC placing Bibi N and the Hamas character on international arrest warrants.

I could just see some nation's border patrol or police attempting to put the cuffs on Netanyahu; it would likely culminate in an armed standoff with his his security team, if not an outright shootout; the same goes for Pres. Putin, if they try to arrest him.

For us older guys here, it is quite representative of contemporary times; the developed world's blowback reaction to the Israeli's Gaza incursion. In the past the world always gave that nation a free pass, carte blanch if you will, in their treatment and riposte to the Palestinians.