Thread: Did You Know?
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03-23-2004, 10:18 PM #81
I don't know how to give the "link" but its either on the CODOH website or in this article, Los Angeles Times on January 7, 2000 by Kim Murphy, i just finished a paper nailing a professor to the correct number.
i'll still see if i can get the exact page.
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03-23-2004, 10:34 PM #82
http://www.codoh.com/newsdesk/000107.html
Some revisions in Holocaust history have been generally accepted. Stories that Jewish remains were manufactured into soap and lampshades have been dismissed as myth. There were, most historians now agree, no human gasings at Dachau. Deaths at Auschwitz, once estimated, based on the testimony of Nazi commanders, at up to 3 million have been scaled back to about 1.1 million. Even the widely accepted figure of 6 million Jewish dead all over Europe has been questioned in recent years by some of the world's most prominent Holocaust scholars.
Raul Hilberg and Robert Jan van Pelt, two of the leading authorities, now believe the figure is probably closer to 5.1 million.
Danger in Denying Holocaust?
By Kim Murphy, Times Staff Writer
Los Angeles Times
Jan. 7, 2000
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03-23-2004, 10:36 PM #83Originally Posted by bigbouncinballs
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03-23-2004, 10:47 PM #84Originally Posted by Elliot
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03-23-2004, 10:51 PM #85Originally Posted by Superhuman
hossy poo getting that post count up once more egh?
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03-23-2004, 10:58 PM #86
you know, that girl in your avatar looks a little bit like my ex-girlfriend
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03-24-2004, 08:15 AM #87Originally Posted by Elliot
Ok u fukin asshole! Where in the hell does the holocaust come into play in this thread?!? Or any other thread thats on here dealing with the subject of Hezbollah and terrorists?!? I didnt mentioned it once and i cant remember anyone else mentioning it, except ur sorry piece of **** ass! SO WHATS UR FUKIN POINT!! AND WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD!!!! I swear to god, people like u make me sick!
Ok so u want to say 5.1 million jewish people died in the holocaust instead of 6 million. WOW thats 900,000 less. How dare we say 6 million then. I cant believe we would make up such lies. ARE U FUKIN KIDDING ME!!! Actually its all lies. There was never any holocaust, no jewish people died at all. They are all living in New York and Miami now. Ohh and dont forget we have horns too.
OG
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03-24-2004, 08:26 AM #88Originally Posted by OGPackin
wow.. such hostilty.. my point was that not everyone who you belive is anti-semitic is acctully anti-semitic.. for example i dont like you cause you BITCH AND WHINE all the time how israel is the greatest ****en thing ever created.. NEWS ****EN FLASH its not.. your killing INNOCENT PEOPLE who DONT have an ARMY and fight back THE ONLY ****EN wAY they know how.. It is a sad thought civilians do die and in no way i condone that.. but then again its not like Israel doesnt do the same thing..
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03-24-2004, 08:29 AM #89Originally Posted by OGPackin
Wow.. i never argued with the statistics.. at first i said 6 million then someone bought it to my attention that its less then that.. so please let thoes people rest in peace..
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03-24-2004, 08:33 AM #90Originally Posted by OGPackin
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03-24-2004, 08:56 AM #91Originally Posted by Elliot
The hostility is because i still dont see ur point in bring up the holocaust in this thread or any other thread for that matter. Annnnd i accused bdtr and maybe one other person of making comments that have anti-semitic overtures. Who else am i "bitching and whining" about and where have i "bitched and whined" about Israel being the "greatest"?!? Iv simply defended Israel and the US from someone posting anti US and Israeli propaganda.
OG
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03-24-2004, 08:58 AM #92Originally Posted by Elliot
U said "thank you very much" when he posted the number. What does that imply?!? IMO it says....see i toldya so. Like a little bitch!
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:05 AM #93AR-Hall of Famer / Retired
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Originally Posted by OGPackin
He states his facts, you state yours - not attack with nothing but your dick in your hand
and who cares if it is 5.1 or 6 million? although accuracy is of course important - its still a LOT of jews - of course, Stalin wiped out a lot more russians - but the Germans were so rather perverse about their methods
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03-24-2004, 09:06 AM #94Originally Posted by OGPackin
no it doesnt imply "see i told you soo".. that was cause i learned something from all this.. and if we're not here learn then what are we here for?
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03-24-2004, 09:06 AM #95Originally Posted by CYCLEON
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03-24-2004, 09:08 AM #96Originally Posted by Elliot
Oh so if u accuse them of farting they call u anti-semitic! Come on get a grip! How do u know what was said cant be conveyed as anti-semitic to a jewish person. Or for that matter how do u know whats considered racist to a black person or Asian. Just because u think its not doesnt mean someone else doesnt. Or hasnt ur parents taught u that growing up?!?
OG
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OGP - havent your parents taught you to deal with arguments with facts? - and frankly, he didnt call you anything - unless I missed it - he simply presented a section of data that you seem to disagree with - so refute it
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03-24-2004, 09:11 AM #98Originally Posted by OGPackin
no wait you called BTRD Hitler.. i mean you cant really go any lower then that.. as for as your bitching and whinning goes please refare to post 2 or 3.. and dont call it propoganda.. at lease most of them are proven facts just cause they dont coincide with your views doesnt make them propoganda.. i for one did know 1/2 of the stuff he was talking about and learned some new things that i havnt been able to confirm yet.. so to me since im nutral on the issue and can care less for either side its just new knowlage..
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03-24-2004, 09:14 AM #99Originally Posted by OGPackin
So calling a Jewish person a Jew is like calling a Black person a the N word? i never used any deragotory terms in this post or hardly ever in real life UNLESS im in a company of friends who TAKE it as it is ment, a Joke.. i would never call someone a racial slur cause of a past sterotype..
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03-24-2004, 09:16 AM #100Originally Posted by CYCLEON
I dont think i called him anything beside the actions of "bitching and whining"
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03-24-2004, 09:18 AM #101Originally Posted by Elliot
Ok first of all i know what i said to bdtr because i said it! I said "what ur saying iv heard someone else say it before, Hitler" I NEVER called him Hitler so lets get ur facts straight. Why cant i call it propaganda? Even if its all true its still can be considered propaganda.
Definition of - The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
So as u can read it doesnt say propaganda is all true or all false. So by definition its propaganda.
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:23 AM #102
Okay that is a very vague defenition.. is it not..? it can mean that me saying
America being the most economicly and military wise powerful nation is the land of the free..
Its a fact yet it can be called propoganda... please show me how israel SOLDIERS killing palestinian civilians is difrent form palestians MILITANTS (NO THEY ARE NOT SOLDIES SINCE THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ARMY) killing isrealie civilans?
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03-24-2004, 09:25 AM #103Originally Posted by Elliot
Ok ur losing me here. I was making a point. More of an analogy between u saying ur "jewish friends" cry anti-semitic when anyone says anything bad about jewish people. And if u said the "N' word or anything bad to a black man would u have issues with him calling u racist.
The point im trying to make is, just because u think its not anti-semitic or its not racist doesnt mean someone else doesnt.
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:28 AM #104Originally Posted by Elliot
Hey buddy if u have issues with the definition take it up with http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=propaganda because thats where it came from.
I will not respond to ur last paragraph because its been answered many, many times throughout these threads. Go back and read by replys!
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:31 AM #105Originally Posted by Elliot
Palestinians are taught that I srael has no right to exist and should be overtaken. The natural hate that comes from these teachings as children is what makes it hard for me to believe that they care if civilians die or not. If someone attacksw this country the way that the palistinians attack Israel I hope we react the same as they do. Children should never be killed in my oppinion but in war people die. Yes I consider what is going on ov er there as war.
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03-24-2004, 09:32 AM #106Originally Posted by OGPackin
no no i never said it was in any way shape of for racist.. let me give you an example; me, me friend Ariel and some Asian kid went to a job interview.. the Asian fellow was WAAAAAAAAAY over qualified then both of use put together times 4.. yet when we were leaving the human resource building my buddy goes.. man the only reason i didnt get the job is because i was wearing a yamaka and he probobly doesnt like jews.. I mean lets be realistc here.. the asian fellow was a shoe in for the job while my friend was under qualified.. yet he see's it as the person being anti-sematic..
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03-24-2004, 09:32 AM #107Originally Posted by mart651
Very well said!
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:36 AM #108Originally Posted by OGPackin
well yeah i got the deffenition from the same page, thus why i asked if you thought (not what the page said) it seemed very vauge to you..
and please do show me a place where it has been explained where an israel civilian is more valued then a palestinian civilian.. and please bring facts this time..
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03-24-2004, 09:39 AM #109Originally Posted by mart651
yes i mart i do agree with you.. yet thier land was TAKEN from them via un resolution 151 circa 1948 if im correct..? so please put your self in their shoes.. you let someone into you house you treat them with all the love and respect you would treat your brother then out of nowhere they are kicking you out of your own 3 acers of land.. and yes people do die druing war.. Casulties of war happen every single day its just sad fact that some of them happen to be children..
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03-24-2004, 09:40 AM #110Originally Posted by Elliot
Let me let u in on a little secret. Ur friend doesnt speak for all Jewish people. Just because he said that doesnt give u the right to say "all" jewish people feel that way. Does it? Hes one person, and his views and thoughts are his own. He does not speak for me.
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:43 AM #111Originally Posted by OGPackin
when did i ever said all jewish people are like that..? i said some of them are and i see you as one of them.. since you rank on anyone who has a slightly impure vision of israel.. and yes out of the 7 or 8 jewish friends i have 3-4 of them are like that..
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03-24-2004, 09:45 AM #112Originally Posted by Elliot
I see where you are coming from on the in ocent people thing and believe it or not I agree. Apalistinians life is just as good as a Israely. I don't believe that there is any other way to fight the terrorism that comes from Palistinians other than the way the Israel is handling it.
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03-24-2004, 09:51 AM #113Originally Posted by mart651
Constantine owned most of europe at one time.. and Ganghis Khan conquerd most of the interconnecting world.. does that mean turkey can get most of europe back..?
And yes isrealies are handeling terrorism in upmost fashion and i cant dispute that.. The killing of the hamas leader is a great step foward.. but im talking about MASSACERS in refugee camps.. not to mention bulldozers knocking houses down with people still in them..
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03-24-2004, 09:51 AM #114Originally Posted by Elliot
Is it vague? I dont really think so. Where are u coming up with ur questions and statements? U want facts huh? Where have i said an Israeli civilian is more valued then a palestinian? Iv made it clear throughout all my posts on this subject that i dont hold any ill feelings towards palestinians as a people. Just the ones who strap explosives to their bodies and kill innocent men, women, and children.
Im not sure where ur personal attacks on me are coming from, but ur waaaay off base here. I again ask that u go back and READ all the posts that have been posted on this subject and u will see where im coming from. Because obviously with ur responses u havent read any of them.
OGLast edited by OGPackin; 03-24-2004 at 09:54 AM.
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03-24-2004, 09:57 AM #115Originally Posted by OGPackin
do you ever re read things you write.. Where have i stated that you said that isrealies are more valuble then palestians.. you said that it has been pointed out in other threads.. i have read most of them and havn't seen a good enought explanation so i asked you TO POINT me to thoes threads..
Then again i dont hold any grief for thoes who strap them selves with bombs and go bomb something.. but then again that is the only line of defence they have to get thier points accross.. i dont condone it but its true.. they do not have an army, a navy or an air force.. all they have is some old guns from the USSR era, C4 and rocks.. and its mighty tought going against a tank with a rock..
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03-24-2004, 09:59 AM #116Originally Posted by Elliot
Im one of them huh. Well, i challenge u to go back and find where im calling all these people anti-semitic. Like i said before i said bdtr's responses have anti-semitic overtures and maybe one other persons. If that qualifies me to be added to ur list then so be it!
OG
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03-24-2004, 09:59 AM #117Originally Posted by OGPackin
and please dont get this mixed up with it being a personal attack.. the only thing that bothers me about you is taht you BITCH AND MOAN with no facts or any thing and yet rant on anyone who disagrees with you.. Tock has in my eyes been one of the most reasonable posters i have ever read.. and you call him your lil chipmonk... and your the one talking about personal attacks..?!
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03-24-2004, 10:00 AM #118Originally Posted by OGPackin
okay comparing anyone to hitler isnt a strong enought statement..?
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03-24-2004, 10:01 AM #119Originally Posted by OGPackin
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03-24-2004, 10:02 AM #120Originally Posted by Elliot
I think you are a little off. Strapping bombs to themselves and going and blowing up a Mcdonalds full of people is not the only way to get the point across. You can just as easy plan things and kill army members.
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