july cycle. TEST FREE cycle!

**redwizza** · 05-18-2004, 10:20 PM

hello, i wanted to do a test free cycle for a long time, to see what type of quality waterless gains i can make. i wish to see a difference in body fat/muscle ratio to a significant and permeanant degrree. here is the plan

deca as the base drug on this long cycle

1-8> 25mg pd> dianabol
1-16> 400mg deca pw
11-16> winny 50mg pd
1-18> proviron 37.5 mg
17-19> 1000iu hcg eod...total 10 shots
20-25> clomid 150-15 mg pd
6-8 weeks more of off time

plz let me know what you think
can this be done with great gains and success
if i maintained a solid diet and workout regimen?

**boosted m3** · 05-18-2004, 10:25 PM

deca for 16 weeks is gonna give you deca dick without test

**houseofpain** · 05-18-2004, 10:26 PM

No Test No Cycle....

**redwizza** · 05-18-2004, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by houseofpain

No Test No Cycle....

thats rediculous i think
there is no logic behind your short statement

**Rickson** · 05-18-2004, 10:29 PM

If you want a waterless cycle then why are you running eight weeks of dbol ? Make sure you follow a really good PCT regime and get blood work done before getting back on anything.

**redwizza** · 05-18-2004, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by boosted m3

deca for 16 weeks is gonna give you deca dick without test

this does not make sence either....and its not proven...so why do you state that. HAVE YOU TRIED IT? im using proviron at 37.5 mg

**Shortyrock13** · 05-18-2004, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by houseofpain

No Test No Cycle....

I understand that this is drilled into new members heads on this board.... but I dont understand why ppl dont question anything. I just did a test free cycle for 6 weeks of winny, var and SL primo... I still get a good boner, and my gains were lean. peace.

**redwizza** · 05-18-2004, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rickson

If you want a waterless cycle then why are you running eight weeks of dbol? Make sure you follow a really good PCT regime and get blood work done before getting back on anything.

i agree dbol causes water retention...ive been there. but i thought that at that dose and compared to test at that dose, then the water retention should not be too great
since i will also be on a clean diet not anything salty

**redwizza** · 05-18-2004, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shortyrock13

I understand that this is drilled into new members heads on this board.... but I dont understand why ppl dont question anything. I just did a test free cycle for 6 weeks of winny, var and SL primo... I still get a good boner, and my gains were lean. peace.

thanks you for that. i agree

**Rickson** · 05-18-2004, 10:37 PM

Lack of sex drive is a very realistic side effect of a long deca cycle. It has been experienced by many and proviron may or may not help. If you ask for peoples opinions then don't get upset when you get them. I hope you don't experience any problems and have a very successful cycle but I am not sure why people shy away from test with so many serms and anti-E's available. Twenty years ago test was a tough drug not to bloat on and gains were often lost but those days are long behind us.

**Warrior** · 05-18-2004, 10:37 PM

If you are going to shut your system down with exogenous androgen use you should AT LEAST run a replacement dose of testosterone ...

***BajanBastard*** · 05-18-2004, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Shortyrock13

I understand that this is drilled into new members heads on this board.... but I dont understand why ppl dont question anything. I just did a test free cycle for 6 weeks of winny, var and SL primo... I still get a good boner, and my gains were lean. peace.

This is a good test free cycle because of the compounds your're running those three will not shut you down like a nandrolone will........which my boy above is doing....but if deca dick is on prob do the damm thang....BTW proviron will only mask the problems if any.

**Matto20** · 05-18-2004, 10:47 PM

i definitely agree that test is praised/worshipped way too often on this board...

BUT...

sixteen weeks of deca without test will crush your sex drive like a dove. for that reason, you MUST use test when running deca or fina, because those two compounds have an extremely harsh shut-down effects.

you can run a different cycle however and get what you are looking for. how about something along the lines of...

Primo/EQ - 500mg/wk weeks 1-12
Oxandrolone - 40mg/day weeks 4-12
Proviron - 37.5mg/day weeks 8-12 (for a sex drive boost)
Clomid PCT

...that would change your body significantly, i guarantee you.