Lance Armstrong

**Mealticket** · 07-07-2004, 11:10 PM

+ he bangs Sherly Crow..........what a fuking STUD!!!

**nsa** · 07-07-2004, 11:42 PM

I have a great deal of respect for anyone who has been to ythe brink of death and survived it and come back the same or better, because i personally know what it is like. Armstrong is the most tested athlete around, he's not going to use epo, way too risky. And their are no drugs you can take as far as i know that increase your vo2 max.

**Executioner** · 07-08-2004, 01:01 AM

Come on guys lets not be ignorant, professionals in all sports take banned substances and get away with it.

My brother is a professional cyclist, did the Tour de Ireland last year, drugs are a big part of the professional game in cycling, just like in any other sport.

To say Lance is not on anything is analagous to saying Ronnie isn't on anything. And if bodybuilding pros were tested they would find ways around them like all pros atheletes do.

**nsa** · 07-08-2004, 01:06 AM

Their is a huge difference between lance amstrong and ronnie coleman. One is well within his natural limits and the other is around 100 pounds over his natural limit. Lance has amazing lung capacity and one of the strongest hearts ever. He gets randomly tested way too often to be using. He has not tested positive for anything. And its not like the nfl where busting someone would be a big blow to the sport, im sure that other organizations in other countries are trying to get him on something.

**Pop** · 07-08-2004, 07:45 AM

I just don't belive he doesnt use anything.

He still has to be tough and great to do what he does,
but he is assisted, like many of his peers imo.
I would guess they all use, so the playing filed is still level.

If you think what those guys do is natural, try something to
test your endurance, and you'll see what i mean as you gasp for air.

**nsa** · 07-08-2004, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Pop

I just don't belive he doesnt use anything.

He still has to be tough and great to do what he does,
but he is assisted, like many of his peers imo.
I would guess they all use, so the playing filed is still level.

If you think what those guys do is natural, try something to
test your endurance, and you'll see what i mean as you gasp for air.

Thats a weak statement, Just because you can't believe he's not using doesn't mean he his. He still hasn't ever tested positive. And training at high-altitude will do alot for endurance and thats what lance does, all the time, he works out in high-altitude all the time.

**Pop** · 07-08-2004, 11:35 AM

It's not weak.
It's my gut feeling, and therefore doesn't need proof.
I certainly can't convict anyone, but am entitle to my opinion.

how did he get cancer then?

**Mealticket** · 07-08-2004, 09:07 PM

What the fuk does getting cancer have to do w/ anyting? Go away you ignornat fuk!!

**Pop** · 07-10-2004, 07:44 AM

fuk you , i just aked how he got cancer jerky.

it didn't say there was or wasnt a connection.
my question remains unanswered.

**craneboy** · 07-10-2004, 07:54 AM

i dont understand the bikes gettin all the press anyway, guys riding bikes

**Bigkatz** · 07-10-2004, 07:58 AM

pros in every sport have track marks due to the use of IV fluides being put back into thier bodies after dehydration. its not that big of a deal. and not only has he beat cancer he also beat everybodies ass for the five going on six years after his battle.

he rocks

**fabry** · 07-10-2004, 09:24 AM

maybe he is just smarter than others were before him.
there is always a "genius" between them and this time its up to him.
me too i dont have any proof of what im sayin, but if i could bet $100 (or $1000) on "yes, he takes gear (and not only 1 compound), id do it!
but i want to make these tests and when i want!

i think here u confuses between a "great champion/man", a "normal champion/man" and a "great champion/man takin drugs"!
there are no great champions left in some sports (bike and athletics first of all) unless they take drugs!
once again, just my opinion.
at least im happy (pls read previious replies) im not the only one thinkin this way...

peace!

**Mealticket** · 07-10-2004, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Pop

fuk you , i just aked how he got cancer jerky.

it didn't say there was or wasnt a connection.
my question remains unanswered.

Jerky?.......You must be european...........Don't be mad cause the americans come over and take over YOUR TOUR

And if you could ever figure out why people get cancer, you'd be a very rich man.

**Mealticket** · 07-10-2004, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by fabry

maybe he is just smarter than others were before him.
there is always a "genius" between them and this time its up to him.
me too i dont have any proof of what im sayin, but if i could bet $100 (or $1000) on "yes, he takes gear (and not only 1 compound), id do it!
but i want to make these tests and when i want!

i think here u confuses between a "great champion/man", a "normal champion/man" and a "great champion/man takin drugs"!
there are no great champions left in some sports (bike and athletics first of all) unless they take drugs!
once again, just my opinion.
at least im happy (pls read previious replies) im not the only one thinkin this way...

peace!

Those who do, do
Those who don't Boo!

**Dude-Man** · 07-10-2004, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Pop

fuk you , i just aked how he got cancer jerky.

it didn't say there was or wasnt a connection.
my question remains unanswered.

people get cancer all the ****ing time! my girlfriend's dad had testicular cancer at 25. Never ever used any performance enhancing compounds. A good friend of mine as school just had a nut removed due to testicular cancer. It happens all the time dip. You think cancer is a rare thing? That only people who use performance enhancing drugs get it? You need a ****ing refresher course in cancer biology and the real world buddy.

**Pop** · 07-10-2004, 11:56 AM

look chris you doofus,

i only asked how he got it, and if was there a medical explanation given

dont put words in my mouth and say i said only people using gear get cancer

**BDTR** · 07-10-2004, 12:51 PM

i'm banning the next person who gets out of line in this thread, plain and simple.

Cut the crap.

**nsa** · 07-10-2004, 03:08 PM

No is not a medical reason for getting cancer, some people get cancer from taking in alot of carcinogens but i don't see how some one as healthy as him would be taking in carginogens.

**Mealticket** · 07-10-2004, 03:24 PM

Some people will never be able to accept how good he ANd HIS TEAM are.

He wins the tour becasue he has the BEST team in the world. Cycling is just as much a team sport as foot ball or baseball.
1999 team time trial. 2nd place
2000 TTT....2nd place
2001 TTT....4th place (Vandevelde fell and they waited up for him)
2002 TTT.... 2nd place (lost by 8 seconds)
2003 TTT 1st place
2004 TTT....1st place

That's why he wins.........becasue of his team.

When riding in the draft of another cyclist the trailing cyclist will save 40% of his energy sitting in the draft.

Lance is always in the draft. His team has the horsepower to sit out front ALL DAY and take the wind for him. Lance's using absolutley no energy untill the mountains and the Time Trials. Lance is great yes............but like he's said countless times..........My team is who won the tour.........i'm just the lucky guy wearing the yellow jersey.

Don't forget this guy was world chamion @ age 21......youngest ever.......10 years ago.....PRE-CANCER

**Kato** · 07-10-2004, 05:14 PM

doping or not these guys are warriors as far as i'm concerned!

**nsa** · 07-10-2004, 05:23 PM

Mealticket and kato both make good points. Regardless of if they use or not, BTW armstrong has never tested poositive, these guys ride for so long and they go so fast that even though they are just riding bikes, its something none of us could do.

**Pop** · 07-10-2004, 06:08 PM

i agree with these points.
i said before whether or not he uses, i still consider him great and tough.
its just like bonds whether, he uses or not, he still has to be a great hitter.

the whole point of me starting this thread was to get some
tips to improve my endurance.

i started running hard like 2 months ago, and feel real strong
and energetic since. just trying to figure out what options
are there to take it to the next level. thats the only reason i
wanted to know about the great lance.

**Bigkatz** · 07-10-2004, 06:19 PM

have you tried reading in the workout forum. i hear they have alot of workout tips in that forum. in that forum if you have questions about workouts then you ask and people tell you how to workout to get to your goals. in this forum people tell you about using AAS. now i know the two can go hand in hand i dont think that most AAS will make your endorance as far a cardio. Actually AAS gives me leg pump when i run or even walk fast.

so my advice is:go to the workout forum and ask the question in there

**ENraged** · 07-10-2004, 06:47 PM

ok i want you that feel he is a doper to look back over his records before he got cancer! truth be told he was not all the impressive back then.. now i want you took look at his body shape and comp. it hasd been discussed that his bout with cancer has reshaped him in to the perfect cycler before his cancer he was built like many of you here more bulk. when he was at his worst he lost an insane amount of lbm therefore slimming him down to a more runner or cyclers body shape. now whether he did or did not use something durning a his recover well i wasnt there i couldnt tell ya. either way to come back after all that i think you should show the man some respect regaurdless!

**Mealticket** · 07-10-2004, 08:01 PM

If you want to see how endurnace athletes improve performance do a search on Team Cofidis, Team Festina, doping, cycling....you'll find your answers there. A man who is tested on average more than once a week and has never tested positive is a clean rider.

Nike,Giro,Oakley,and Trek colaborated this past year to help design and give Lance the fastest and most aerodynamic Equiptment in the world. They're were dubbed "The F1 Team"............they started this research 2 weeks after last years tour. Over 1 million dollars was invested to help Lance shave Miliseconds off his Time Trials. When you research, train, tain, train,train,a do research, and prepare as much as Lance does you begin to realize why he is who he is.

It's people who are ignortant to the sport of cycling and ignorant to the self inflicted pain of the sport that call out Doper. Those who train and ride amateurly understand the sacrafice it takes to do on the podium 5+ consecutive times.
Out of the dozen+ sports i'vbe played on teams w/ cycing is by far the most time consuming and most painfull. I'm a track cyclist and not an endurance cyclist like Lance is. The difference between our disciplines is the comparative difference between running the 100 meter dash and a marathon.
I've only been riding for 2 1/2 years and am a top nationally ranked track cyclist. There is no harder training that i've ever doen.
I run an event on the track called a Kilometer, 1000 meters. It's the 2nd most painfull thing i've ever experienced. Pasing kidney stones is #1,the Kilo is #2, broken arm is #3, torn acl's is #4.

That's how bad it hurts to train that hard. And it's all self-inflicted. I know if i just quit pedaling the pain stops, that's all i've got to do. Allthough I've never used AS i am surrounded by Athletes that do and have quite an extensive knowldge of what they use. I'm also the guy they ask how to make gear, therefore asking bro's on here about stuff
So to call out dope to people like Lance is something i take somewhat personally as i can understand the sacrafices it takes to get where he is. Don't cheapen what he does because you'll never be able to fathem the sacrafice's or pain it's taken to get where he is

**skinjob** · 07-16-2004, 07:35 PM

thanks chaps

i see armstrong has scaled from 6th to 2nd in the TDF this friday as the race entered the Pyrenees (harder than the alps - steeper, more brutal climbing).. armstrong broke away on crushing ascent in 200k stage.. that takes real calibre.

drugs or no drugs he's some boy!

**Froggy** · 07-17-2004, 01:30 PM

Lance Armstrong is the greatest "All around" cyclist ever to compete...also the best in the hills. He will win again. Untill he tests positive for something...he is clean!!! That's the way of the world.