how does this look for my first cycle

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 01:05 PM

week1......sus 500mg, 200mg B6 ed
week2......sus 500mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week3......sus 500mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week4......sus 250mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week5......sus 250mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week6......sus 250mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week7.......clen , 200mg B6 ed
week8.......clen, 200mg B6 ed
week9...... nolva 10mg ed, clomid 50mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week10......nolva 10mg ed, clomid 100mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week11......nolva 10mg ed, clomid 50mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
BTW, Im trying to play it as safe as possible

I have
10 amps sus250
30x50mg Clomid
30x20mg Nolva
and 2 weeks worth of clen

**dive_kid** · 10-09-2004, 01:15 PM

i dont think you are running the test long enough or high enough. do some more research. I would reccomend 500 mg/week cyp for 10 or 12 weeks. and 200mg of clen will **** you up. did you mean to say 200mcg?
clen needs to be tapered up to see if you can handel it. I would not recomend your above cycle.

**SaTyR** · 10-09-2004, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by brewski053

week1......sus 500mg, 200mg B6 ed
week2......sus 500mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week3......sus 500mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week4......sus 250mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week5......sus 250mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week6......sus 250mg, nolva 10mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week7.......clen , 200mg B6 ed
week8.......clen, 200mg B6 ed
week9...... nolva 10mg ed, clomid 50mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week10......nolva 10mg ed, clomid 100mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
week11......nolva 10mg ed, clomid 50mg ed, 200mg B6 ed
BTW, Im trying to play it as safe as possible

I have
10 amps sus250
30x50mg Clomid
30x20mg Nolva
and 2 weeks worth of clen

Dude sustanon needs to be injected EOD , and 6 weeks is TO short , minimum 10 weeks , so you would need about 35amps of sustanon , you are also short on clomid to complete a succesfull pct , and you are to short on nolvadex .

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 01:23 PM

why are you tapering the sustenon..also may want to start nolva during week 1 and run all the way through cycle and pct....300/100/50 on the clomid when you get to pct (check the PCT forum)....500mg-700mg of some form of test for 10-13 weeks....I can't help you on the clen , but dosage is in mcg like dive kid stated...good luck....

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by dive_kid

i dont think you are running the test long enough or high enough. do some more research. I would reccomend 500 mg/week cyp for 10 or 12 weeks. and 200mg of clen will **** you up. did you mean to say 200mcg?
clen needs to be tapered up to see if you can handel it. I would not recomend your above cycle.

no, its 200mg of B6, each clen tab is like 0.02mg or something......
how come every is telling me diff stuff...Iv had friends that have taken 250mg of sus a week for 8 weeks, and 500mg of sus a week for 8...For some reason both ran it without clomid or nolva.
Isnt it true that some poeple take 1000+mg a week of gear...and since clen has anabolic properties, it should help me, also I have read that you only need to do clomid for 3 weeks...

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 01:28 PM

here's a good read for PCT...

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/showthread.php?t=94626

**GetPumped** · 10-09-2004, 01:35 PM

I see a lot of mistakes in this cycle:

1. The sust needs to be injected EOD and 10 amps will not be enough

2. Then clen should be taken with the start of your cycle at 2 weeks on/off, not just on week 7 and 8 and again you don't have enough clen

3. You need more clomid and your PCT isn't right. Why are you pyramiding your clomid?

4. Your nolva should be bumped to 20mg for your PCT

5. What is all the b6 for? You aren't taking any tren or deca , so i don't see the need for it.

You need to do some SERIOUS reasearch before starting a cycle.

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by GetPumped

I see a lot of mistakes in this cycle:

1. The sust needs to be injected EOD and 10 amps will not be enough

2. Then clen should be taken with the start of your cycle at 2 weeks on/off, not just on week 7 and 8 and again you don't have enough clen

3. You need more clomid and your PCT isn't right. Why are you pyramiding your clomid?

4. Your nolva should be bumped to 20mg for your PCT

5. What is all the b6 for? You aren't taking any tren or deca , so i don't see the need for it.

You need to do some SERIOUS reasearch before starting a cycle.

I have, and tons of people have said it would be fine for my first cycle....
and 10amps wont be enough for what?

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by brewski053

I have, and tons of people have said it would be fine for my first cycle....
and 10amps wont be enough for what?

I think what getpumped means is you don't have enough medicine to provide a sufficient dosage over a long enough period of time to give you satisfactory results....and ditch the 200 mg of B6...and your pct looks a little funky...check my reply above for pct link....good luck...

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

I think what getpumped means is you don't have enough medicine to provide a sufficient dosage over a long enough period of time to give you satisfactory results....and ditch the 200 mg of B6...and your pct looks a little funky...check my reply above for pct link....good luck...

I just found this
http://www.eurobolica.com/cycles.htm#2

"week
1 250 Sustanon (mg/week)
2 500
3 500
4 500
5 500
6 250
7
8
9 100 Clomid (mg/day
10 50
11 50
10 amps of SUSTANON & 30 tablets of CLOMID"

is it better to do 250mg wk1,wk6 VS 250mg wk5, wk6

**GetPumped** · 10-09-2004, 02:17 PM

Yah almostgone said it. Ten amps will NOT be enough for a sufficient cycle. You need to be injecting EOD, say you take .5ml EOD that will equal 125mg EOD. So the first week you will be taking 2 amps (500mg), the second week 1.5 amps (375mg), the third week 2 amps (500mg), the fourth week 1.5 amps (375mg), the fifth week 2 amps (500mg), and then the sixth week you would have only 1 amp left (250mg). So you run out of amps at the beginning of the sixth week, to get the full effect from all the esters in the sust, you should run it for at least 10 weeks IMO. This is what I mean by you don't have enough sust.

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by GetPumped

Yah almostgone said it. Ten amps will NOT be enough for a sufficient cycle. You need to be injecting EOD, say you take .5ml EOD that will equal 125mg EOD. So the first week you will be taking 2 amps (500mg), the second week 1.5 amps (375mg), the third week 2 amps (500mg), the fourth week 1.5 amps (375mg), the fifth week 2 amps (500mg), and then the sixth week you would have only 1 amp left (250mg). So you run out of amps at the beginning of the sixth week, to get the full effect from all the esters in the sust, you should run it for at least 10 weeks IMO. This is what I mean by you don't have enough sust.

if i do EOD, it will go like this
wk1.....125mgx4 = 500mg
wk2.....125mgx3 = 375mg
wk3.....125mgx4 = 500mg
wk4.....125mgx3 = 375mg
wk5.....125mgx4 = 500mg
wk6.....125mgx3 = 375mg
10x250=2500
(500x3 = 1500) +(375x3 = 1125), = 2625 - 2500 = 125
come wk6 Ill be short 125mg.....So wk 6 would be like 125mgx2 = 250....

after all that figuring I think you just said that.....
BUT ok, so that is the way to make best out of what I have?

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 02:52 PM

I'd save up and get more sust, you might get some test prop cheaper if you don't mind ED injections

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

I'd save up and get more sust, you might get some test prop cheaper if you don't mind ED injections

i paid $7.90 an amp for organon(sp?)
Most of my friends that have taken sus, have done it every wk, and went cheap and didnt even do a PCT...So i figured i put together an alright first cycle, based on info they gave me, other gear users and wbb forum...

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 02:57 PM

and the website you referred to sux ( just my .02)....I don't think we are supposed to post sites that sell and I wouldn't trust a site that sells to lay out a cycle for me...all they care about is moving product....good luck

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by brewski053

i paid $7.90 an amp for organon(sp?)
Most of my friends that have taken sus, have done it every wk, and went cheap and didnt even do a PCT...So i figured i put together an alright first cycle, based on info they gave me, other gear users and wbb forum...

I hope it works out ok for you...no pct is NOT a good practice....

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

and the website you referred to sux ( just my .02)....I don't think we are supposed to post sites that sell and I wouldn't trust a site that sells to lay out a cycle for me...all they care about is moving product....good luck

I wasnt refering to them for selling, It was just an example of a place iv seen a similar cycle.....

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

I hope it works out ok for you...no pct is NOT a good practice....

no no, I am doing PCT for 3weeks, 18days after last injec.....But i mean I figured based on all the info iv found/was given, that this would be a pretty safe cycle for my first one

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 03:04 PM

I'm afraid you'll be disappointed, but I hope not....good luck

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

I'm afraid you'll be disappointed, but I hope not....good luck

is 8lbs to much to ask for? One of my friends gained somewhere around 20lbs on 250mg a week for 8 weeks, he didnt do a PCT, so he lost a good amount of it....But i have always been good in the diet dept, and the routine dept as well....
I mean dont both of those play a major roll in this as well
BTW do you have AIM?

**shiloh** · 10-09-2004, 03:34 PM

Since you are not going to get anymore test, I would recommend doing 250mg/week for 10 weeks. No need to pyramid. The two short acting esters in the sust will be rendered pretty much useless running it twice a week but 10 weeks will give the longer acting esters time to kick in. Also, just because your are doing a low dose cycle doesn't mean you can skimp out on PCT. If you don't have enough, order from anabolicreview-reseach (the blinking banner above). BTW, this is what my first cycle looked like 6 years ago and I gained about 15 lbs.

**k_dogg** · 10-09-2004, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by brewski053

I just found this
http://www.eurobolica.com/cycles.htm#2

"week
1 250 Sustanon (mg/week)
2 500
3 500
4 500
5 500
6 250
7
8
9 100 Clomid (mg/day
10 50
11 50
10 amps of SUSTANON & 30 tablets of CLOMID"

is it better to do 250mg wk1,wk6 VS 250mg wk5, wk6

dude...
you NEED to run sust at at least .66cc EOD for at least 10-12 wks (i did 10). 12 recommended. 6 weeks isnt going to cut it. youll need at least 20 sust amps for a satisfactory cycle. dont pyramid it. only someone with not enough money would run for 6 and pyramid.
you wont make use of the fast acting esters if you inject once or twice a week. your levels will be unsteady.

id recommend doing cyp or enanthate for 12 weeks at 500mg/wk in 2 shots a week. you could use propianate ed or eod to kick off your first 4 weeks.

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by shiloh

Since you are not going to get anymore test, I would recommend doing 250mg/week for 10 weeks. No need to pyramid. The two short acting esters in the sust will be rendered pretty much useless running it once a week but 10 weeks will give the longer acting esters time to kick in. Also, just because your are doing a low dose cycle doesn't mean you can skimp out on PCT. If you don't have enough, order from anabolicreview-reseach (the blinking banner above). BTW, this is what my first cycle looked like 6 years ago and I gained about 15 lbs.

how much is enough?

**dogsofwar** · 10-09-2004, 06:55 PM

Dude, your 18 years old? I'd be careful about using aas.

**briansauras** · 10-09-2004, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by dogsofwar

Dude, your 18 years old? I'd be careful about using aas.

all my friends told me that this would be a very safe cycle. Since 1000+mg is an established weekly dosage.....And also since I AM taking nolva and clomid where as most of them went cheap and didnt bother with PCT

**almostgone** · 10-09-2004, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by brewski053

all my friends told me that this would be a very safe cycle. Since 1000+mg is an established weekly dosage.....And also since I AM taking nolva and clomid where as most of them went cheap and didnt bother with PCT

if you're 18, you need to wait a few years to make sure you're done growing...get all you can out of your natural test right now, believe me before you know it you'll be getting older and your natural test production will be declining...then you would look at steroids as a supplement...Think this over for a long time before you start juicing @ 18.....Just my .02.......good luck