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01-22-2005, 05:46 PM #1New Member
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Sust. eod or not. real evidence/proof wanted.
i've searched a lot and whenever there is an argument about the frequency of sust injections (which happens a lot), all it is is just along the lines of "this worked best for me.." and such. Does anyone have links to real evidence that eod is better? i.e. blood test levels and such..
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01-22-2005, 05:58 PM #2
No flame bro....but the proof is in the amp. Short acting esters MUST be injected more frequently for optimal effectiveness.
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01-22-2005, 06:05 PM #3
Theres blood concentration graphs all over the educational forum... Its simple, the two shortest esters will be gone in just a couple days time, its like paying for 500mg and getting more like 350ish, why would you waste money like that?
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01-22-2005, 06:30 PM #4Swellin Guest
The guys are right. there are many links in the educational forum. I know that basskilleronline used to have a pretty good one as well. While you're at it, look up graphs on test prop. Since it makes up 30 or 40mg of your sust (depends on which sust/omna) it should be pretty obvious that it needs to be run EOD at the very latest. IMO, ED would be better. I can't run prop EOD without trippling the sides.
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01-22-2005, 07:29 PM #5
"Ara-Test 2500 is .... Like Sustanon , injections should be administered twice weekly (in my opinion) to keep the test propionate levels constant"
http://www.elitefitness.com/members/...stpopular.html
"Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly."
http://www.ironmag.com/archive/ironm..._gw_esters.htm
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01-22-2005, 07:39 PM #6Originally Posted by Alex2
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01-22-2005, 07:47 PM #7Swellin GuestOriginally Posted by almostgone
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01-22-2005, 07:48 PM #8Originally Posted by Alex2
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01-22-2005, 07:55 PM #9Originally Posted by Swellin
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01-22-2005, 08:11 PM #10
I used sust and shot twice a week with great results. I know the amount of prop (short acting) in a 250 mg dose is only 50 mg so that makes up a small percentasge of the test your getting.
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01-22-2005, 08:55 PM #11Swellin GuestOriginally Posted by bigjsheets
Results are not in question (although consistant blood levels always produce better results than fluctuating blood levels). What is in question here would be the incidence of side effects. We are trying to get the most out of our gear while causing the least amount of sides.
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01-22-2005, 09:06 PM #12Originally Posted by Swellin
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01-22-2005, 10:16 PM #13
actually the average male produces 50 -70mg per week of test and 70 is on the high end.
Originally Posted by Swellin
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01-22-2005, 10:44 PM #14Originally Posted by rb26dett
A new look into doing Sustanon250 by basskiller
As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.
On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 6 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml
Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
basskiller
days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619
Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.
Question:
So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...
as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46
Answer:
Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page
The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here
Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....
The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .
The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.
There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.
Here is the normal 3 times a week chart
Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7
1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566
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