• McGwire and the parents of the dead kid, thoughts anyone?

[BDTR]

Are you this guy? http://www.taylorhooton.org/mattalavi.asp ???? If so, you're ridiculous.

Otherwise no comment was directed towards you.

who is ridiculous? my post?,me, the kid who killed himself, the father? the whole story.
I rarely posted in the past few years and I come across a mod like you who can't give me feedback on something that hits so close to home.
Thanks my brother

Big $ Mike

[Dude-Man]

200 anadrol would give you massive liver failure. You would almost definitely die.

ive yet to ever hear of a testosterone overdose, I have heard of cocaine overdose, heroin overdose, alcohol poisioning, GHB overdose, meth overdose... drugs that you do a little too much and your heart ****ing explodes and you die.

If you ate 200 a-bombs at once... you would ****/piss them out and have cramps or a stomache ache... would not kill you...


god cant we go back to blaming ozzy osborne for kids commiting suicide, ol ozzy would take a hit for the home team if we called and asked him....

LOL

[O.fO.shO]

who is ridiculous? my post?,me, the kid who killed himself, the father? the whole story.
I rarely posted in the past few years and I come across a mod like you who can't give me feedback on something that hits so close to home.
Thanks my brother

Big $ Mike

[Danbrooks2k]

Dude man... no you wouldnt die... you simply would **** them out...

hard on the liver, yes but taken in regulated dosages your liver must process them for the anabolic effects... taking 200 all at once your body will simply flush them... there have been documented cases of body builders taking 5 and 10 bottles of dianabol in a day in the early 1980's...

seriously, I wouldnt suggest it but I promise it wont kill you...

[RubaHed]

i apoplogize to BDTR and scotttiger54 for reading into their post. I thought they were
flaming me. Sorry,
"it's the 9th inning and i just woke up."

Ruba

[Joey2ness]

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"thats right, your honor... it appears that the winstrol jumped out of the bottle and wrapped a leather belt around our boy's neck... while simutaniously anadrol, pulled the chair out from under him." wipes tears... sob... " And thats how steroids killed our boy! "

holy **** talk about a vial or two of major whoop ass
the magic potion turned into belts and chairs and liver cancer and nut shrink and etc..........

[gixxer600]

I signed the guestbook and gave them a little piece of my mind. I think we should all go and voice our opinions.

[Joey2ness]

Are you this guy? http://www.taylorhooton.org/mattalavi.asp ???? If so, you're ridiculous.

Otherwise no comment was directed towards you.

hey whats wrong with that guy.he's just like everyone one else that made the mistake of juicing except he told the public in stead of keeping secret having his muscles turn to fat
http://www.taylorhooton.org/images/mattalavibig.jpg

heres more steroid stories for you
Steroid Users Report What They Experienced While Using Anabolic Steroids
http://www.anabolicsteroids.com/steroidexp.html#Past

[Kelvin]

Today, I read in the Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale, Fl) that "a muscial prodigy who completed high school at age 10, apparently killed himself at 14". "Brandedd E. Bremmer, who taught himself how to read at 18 months and began plaing the piano at age 3 , was found dead Tuesday at his home in southwest Nebraska, with a gunshot wound to the head, sheriff's officials said."

How would it look for the mother of the above mentioned teenager to go before Congress blaming professional piano players and saying that excessive use of the piano caused her son's death? We would probably tell her to go into therapy. Yet, what these parents did blaming steriods is no different. People in such a case as suicide look for reasons that they may never know. The dead cannot speak. It is also the case that there are a lot of people who have a hard time with seeing what part they have to play into a situation and taking responsibility for it. Sometimes it takes time in such a case for them to be able to do so. Which ever the case, they had no business speaking to Congress about it without any real proof. Misinformation is just as bad as out and out lying. That should not have been allowed.

[Dude-Man]

Just like when you take 200 tylenol you don't die right? I've got a good feeling that 10 grams of anadrol would pretty much send you into massive liver failure. Unfortunately according to pubmed there haven't been any documented cases of steroid overdose that massive to prove either of us right or wrong.

Dude man... no you wouldnt die... you simply would **** them out...

hard on the liver, yes but taken in regulated dosages your liver must process them for the anabolic effects... taking 200 all at once your body will simply flush them... there have been documented cases of body builders taking 5 and 10 bottles of dianabol in a day in the early 1980's...

seriously, I wouldnt suggest it but I promise it wont kill you...

[simster1]

4 months on roids ruined his life what! guys I know personally abused roids for years you know the 365 day cycle a few of them stopped doing them all together. They are not messed up at all. They are not as big as they were but still ripped just smaller. I think if you know what you are doing in the gym and with nutrion and suplements you will be just fine.

[2small4now]

Hey all, wow...I havent been here in a long time as I had given up on ever getting bigger. But I am definately glad I came to this thread. I would just like to say that as someone who has never used, simply because I have no access to gear, that all this media attention and sudden uproar in the "community" is bull****. I am going to be 31 in August, and I have 3 beautiful daughters. So as I sit here and think of all the comments, the story, and your posts, I am reading and processing this as both a would be user and a parent. I truely believe that yes everyone here is right to an extent. One that coming off can cause depression, and two no one held the boy down and forced anything into his system. It appears to me that maybe this kid was just a bit messed up emotionally before his training began. Is it his parents fault? As a parent we would all like to think we could recognize all the warning signs, but as one I know that just isnt true. I have a friend whos boy took his own life 3 years ago with a shotgun under the chin. This kid had all the friends, was going to college, had good grades, was a goodlooking boy with a drop dead girl. So why? Who knows? Were there warning signs? Only if you count playing 18 holes of golf with his buddies every weekend. I am by no means defending his parents, but I am saying that maybe this kid was really good at concealing his emotions. I mean as men we are taught to hide our feelings anyway. But why condem the drug of choice at the time. It could have been anything. Like you all have said no one is charging after congress with a torch shouting Miller lite killed my daughter, or that **** Advil company made my boy "OD". Or **** phillip morris, okay well everybody is going after them but we get the point. The bottom line is noone can know or understand how his parents truely feel and guilt is the biggest destructor of reality there is. When we feel guilty we will gladly try and make all others look bad to cover how we really look.
This is just my opinion, and like my wife tells me daily my opinion doesnt mean s***. But I definately dont see any justification in trying to further limit AMERICANS from deciding what we do to our own bodies. Hell I spent 14 years in the 1st ranger batt. in the army defending this right, no matter what it is.
Thanx all, I feel better now that I vented a little.
You are all great people

[IntensityX]

Unfortunately according to pubmed there haven't been any documented cases of steroid overdose that massive to prove either of us right or wrong.

That's because no one is that stupid to take that massive amount hell there are those who think BDTR is insane for some of the cycles he's done but even he wouldn't go that far.

[Glock-19]

I think its in a parents nature to blame someone else but thierselves for their childs poor choices that led to thier deaths. It must really suck to be in that position, but you cant goin on blamin the world forever for what you diddnt teach your children.

[LACBodybuilder]

I think its in a parents nature to blame someone else but thierselves for their childs poor choices that led to thier deaths. It must really suck to be in that position, but you cant goin on blamin the world forever for what you diddnt teach your children.

Thats exactly right, and in this case there were so many signs that somethingwas wrong and the parents ignored all of them. Steroids are not addicting, so when your kid is stealing video cameras form hotel rooms while on vacation he isnt doing it so he can afford his fix. He is doing it because he is ****ed up and needs some help.

[Glock-19]

Are you this guy? http://www.taylorhooton.org/mattalavi.asp ???? If so, you're ridiculous.

Otherwise no comment was directed towards you.

I read that article. "4 months or roids ruined my life...waaaaa" lol

[LACBodybuilder]

Are you this guy? http://www.taylorhooton.org/mattalavi.asp ???? If so, you're ridiculous.

Otherwise no comment was directed towards you.

Is this guy serious?? He says he lost 2 inches of height by getting off steroids . What a load of ****..

In April of 2000 I weighed 163lbs was 5’7, yes two inches shorter, and surprises just kept on coming.

[Georgie]

My thoughts, opinions, and message to Taylor's parents:

My deepest sympathies for the loss of your son. I pray that God gives you the strength to deal with this tragedy. However, I have to disagree with your stance on steroids and M.L.B.. Millions of Americans (men and women) legally take and benefit from steroids prescribed by their doctors for hormone replacement therapy, muscle wasting (HIV patients etc.), youth rejuvanation, and many other reasons. We must remember that steroids are hormones that naturally occur in the human body. Yes, sometimes steroids are abused and taken illegally. However, that is a personal choice. No one forces anyone to abuse steroids. Barry Bonds nor any other M.L.B player is responsible for Taylor's death. To play with his hormone levels was a choice he made for himself, as well as the decision to take his own life. Steroids do not cause a person to take their own life. Depression and pyschological reasons are what took Taylor's life. A happy, well adjusted person of sound mind does not suddenly go in the opposite direction of mental health because of steroid use . I will agree that an already depressed person wrestling with personal demons could have their condition worsened by playing with their hormone levels. But we can not hold M.L.B, TV, or magazines responsible for choices we decide to make. I know you are saddened and angered by Taylor's death, but I believe your fight is misguided and energy going in the wrong direction. Instead of making a war on steroids more people would benefit from a website and fight devoted to the dangers of teen depression. Champion a cause about communicating with your children, and children's mental health awareness. It's not your fault Taylor died, it's not M.L.B.s fault, it's not steroids fault, it's not Taylor's fault. It's just something that happened that was not caught it time. Taylor was already an obviously unbalanced individual (stated by a friend of his in this guestbook). Steriods could have made the condition worse, but is not the cause of the condition. I know it's easy to blame people or things when something goes wrong. But instead of doing that lets learn from this situation and bring something good out of it. It is fine to educate the public on the dangers of illegally abusing steroids, so that they can make informed personal choices, but lets look at the bigger picture here and remeber it is a personal choice. Lets make war on teen depression and stress the importance of communicating with your children. Leading a campaign stating to the public that steroids are terrible substances and that M.L.B. had some part in Taylor's death is irresponsible and false. Steroids have many useful purposes and do a lot of people good. Lets not create a false mass hysteria. Steroids are not to blame. Lets focus on the real issue and do something about this disease of depression. To prevent teen suicide a fight and forum to bring mental health awareness is key, not a misguided fight against steroids. Once again I am so sorry for your loss. Remember its not your fault and God always has a plan even though it may not always make sense to us.

[JiGGaMaN]

lol this is the funniest thing ive ever read in my life:

"Sir, You have opened my eyes to the evils of steroids . My father was a Bulgarian weightlifter who used cattle-grade steroids, and it caused him to be very violent and sometimes bellow like a bull. My father's bovine nature caused me to have low self-esteem. I remember bringing home a friend from school once, and our living room looked like a dung-filled cattle pen because my father was in the throes of one of his "roid rages." Another time some of my friend saw him trying to mount a cow in a pasture. Things like this deeply embarrassed me. I have now been in psychotherapy for 13 years, and am only slowly coming to terms with my father's steroid addiction. I cannot get any closure in my relationship with my father, as his steroid habit finally claimed his life. Sometimes I think about how wonderful my life would be if steroids didn't exist. I am sure my father would have been a perfect parent, w/o steroids."
Signed by ZachG_85 on March 23, 2005

[Thegr8One]

i posted on his pitty me page
yes i feal for the family but thry can not point fingers and run from their lousy parenting skills