cycles, 8 wks or 10 wks? 350 or 500 plz read

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:11 AM

im starting my cutter cycle: as i want to shred fat i gained from the first cycle and still, gain some mass., test e bloats me madly so im going with prop and winny

after a couple days of researching i have come up with this cycle
1-8 prop 50ed (350 per week)
2-8 winny 50 ed oral (350 per week)
proviron 25mg ed oral (would i get harder on 50mged or prov)
nolva 20mg ed thru out cycle and pct
clomid PCT.... 3 days after prop, 1 day after winny

question:
1)is 8 week suffient for gain? or should it be 10 week(will i gain more with 10)

2)would running 10 week shut me down at the same rate as 8 week?

3)prop 350, is it enough to gain lil mass, fat loss, supress my HPTA least possible with least side effect? (would 350 and 500 produce same result)
i have read that in roids, the more is not better, your body can take a certain amount and the rest aromatize.

176lbs, 5'8
first cycle was 500mg test e 400deca, dbol 6 wk.. and i bloated crazy.. and gain fat on strict diet (estrogen-related side) i have a feeling my body cannot take 500mg test as most of it aromatize. even if i drop deca to 200 and stop dbol, im will bloated (i was also on proviron and nolva)...i don;t want to go over that experience again. i want a decent lean mass gain and at loss...

**QuieTSToRM33** · 07-02-2005, 04:20 AM

You could try this

Prop 1-10 75 mg ED (or make it an 8 weeker)
Win 3-10 50 mg ED

L-Dex 1-10 .25 mg ED
Nolva 1-10 10mg ED

Pheednos PCT (which includes nolva, clomid and L-dex)

**needbigguns** · 07-02-2005, 04:22 AM

is that you in your avatar pic mate ? If so you look well if you've only cycled once, keep up the good work

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:26 AM

yes it;s me on my avartar..
i am thai and i weigh around 135 lbs in that pic (lighter bone mass)
anyways.....

now im fat!!!! and i;ve gained 44lbs first cycle of deca /testE/dbol (start off 130)
anyways..... i believe it;s estrogen-related fat gain since my diet is very clean and good.....

i can;t get i-dex in thailand, as it is perscribed drug.. proviron 50ed or 25ed would it produce hardness??

recently i have dropped out of the competition due to unexpected side of estrogenaded fatgain.... im getting ready for a competition in a few months, so i need to run this cutter asap!!!

why 75ed and not 50ed? would it produce same result?

i don;t want to be shut down hard!

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:28 AM

and also, 8weeker and 10 weeker which would produce a better result (most fat loss, mass gain, hpta recovery) im very concerned about recovery...

**QuieTSToRM33** · 07-02-2005, 04:28 AM

u should run the test higher than the winny in order to prevent the winny from shuttin u down too hard .... u wont be shut down hard ... as long as u do a proper PCT u should be ok

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:31 AM

and input on proviron ?
btw thanks for all the time you have putted in

**QuieTSToRM33** · 07-02-2005, 04:32 AM

im not too familiar with proviron as i have never used it ... so i cant really give u an answer there

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:37 AM

my cousin is currently the top bodybuilder of thailand, as he is my inspiration...

we live in different city but we still keep in contact......
i was lucky i had some of his genes!

he trained with dennis james at pattaya and flys to europe very fequently to train there and compete there.

unfortunatedly when i asked him about roid.. he told me NO!

also, he's 10 years older than me

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:39 AM

me and mr.james

**QuieTSToRM33** · 07-02-2005, 04:40 AM

thats a big boy

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:43 AM

mr.james is very big, 3 times my size and at least 150-160 lbs heavier!! look at the size of him!!!

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:45 AM

so quiet storm
should i do an 8weeker or 10weeker, i need to get ready for competition

i have been 11 weeks away from roid since my last injection
and that is 5 weeks away since my last intake of clomid
i had my blood check and test lvl is normal, liver value not a concern..

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 04:48 AM

would i produce more result and recovery with 10 week?
8weeker and 10 weeker which would produce a better result (most fat loss, mass gain, hpta recovery) im very concerned about recovery...

**QuieTSToRM33** · 07-02-2005, 06:41 AM

i say go with the 10 weeker

**nickm748** · 07-02-2005, 07:53 AM

the guy in the green is HUGE

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 09:00 AM

that's dennis james = professional bodybuilder IFBB

anyways, why 10 not 8:
can u please give me a scientific reason

thanks again

**russia dog** · 07-02-2005, 11:23 PM

also u said test dosage should be higher than winny
so would it be okay if i make test 50mg ed and reduce winny to 40mged .. will i still have good gains compare to 75mg test and 50mg winny? 8 or 10 weeks?
how much will i get shut down.. please help!! i want to start soon

**russia dog** · 07-03-2005, 11:18 AM

also u said test dosage should be higher than winny
so would it be okay if i make test 50mg ed and reduce winny to 40mged .. will i still have good gains compare to 75mg test and 50mg winny? 8 or 10 weeks?
how much will i get shut down.. please help!! i want to start soon