Primo questions- cycle critique

**znak** · 08-02-2005, 03:13 AM

Trying to put together a cutting cycle that would be easy on the old ticker. I have read that primo and var are two of the best for BP, but I have not been able to find a cycle that incorporates both of them. Also, almost everything that I have founds recommends a primo/deca stack. Also primo is typically recommended with dbol or winny. That said, here is what I am thinking. I would appreciate any comments from those who have used primo:

Week 1-12 Primo 200 e3.5d
Week 1-11 deca 200 ew
Week 1-5 var 25 ed
week 14-14 HCG at 1000 ed
Week 15-19 Clomid therapy
Novalex throughout

**znak** · 08-02-2005, 04:56 AM

No primo lover out there???

**stocky121** · 08-02-2005, 05:00 AM

i have never used primo

but running primo deca and var are you not conserned with deca dick ?

**Barbell** · 08-02-2005, 05:19 AM

I'm currently running this cycle:

Weeks 1-10 prop mon wed fri
Weeks 1-10 primo 200mg mon 200mg fri mixed with prop
Weeks 1-4 var 40mg per day
Weeks 8-12 winny 50mg per day
Nolvadex 20mg EOD

At present i'm into week 7.

I think you might be better off adding some test over deca .

Regards

**znak** · 08-02-2005, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

i have never used primo

but running primo deca and var are you not conserned with deca dick ?

That was one of my questions. All the literature shows primo stacked with deca . Everyone on this site says you gotta have test in every cycle.

I know that prop would be great to add to this cycle, but I will not be able to inject every day or even every other day for the next 10 weeks due to travel.

Help?

**stocky121** · 08-02-2005, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by znak

That was one of my questions. All the literature shows primo stacked with deca . Everyone on this site says you gotta have test in every cycle.

I know that prop would be great to add to this cycle, but I will not be able to inject every day or even every other day for the next 10 weeks due to travel.

Help?

well just take test e or c and use some letro that would keep the bloat off i would leave the deca out it's not a good cutter

**znak** · 08-02-2005, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

well just take test e or c and use some letro that would keep the bloat off i would leave the deca out it's not a good cutter

I was thinking test e, but was really hoping that someone could explain why almost everything (including the home page for this site) recommends primo and deca . I have some time before I will start my cycle, but I am curious.

**stocky121** · 08-02-2005, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by znak

I was thinking test e, but was really hoping that someone could explain why almost everything (including the home page for this site) recommends primo and deca. I have some time before I will start my cycle, but I am curious.

the homopage is out dated and should be changed deca is no good for a cutter because of water retention off deca

i would just run test e because you can not shoot ed

var and primo

**Barbell** · 08-02-2005, 06:59 AM

Hi there,

To be honest, primo and deca are both very anabolic and i think one or the other is fine. As you are cutting and considering primo then there is no real point in adding deca to this cycle. Add some test e as stocky121 suggests. Drink lots of water and keep your diet clean and do plenty of cardio. I can't see you getting any bloat this way.

**znak** · 08-02-2005, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

the homopage is out dated and should be changed deca is no good for a cutter because of water retention off deca

i would just run test e because you can not shoot ed

var and primo

I know the homepage is outdated, but it would seem that the whole internet is outdated too because almost every site recommends primo with deca.

Does anyone know why deca used to be recommended with primo?

**Barbell** · 08-02-2005, 08:30 AM

I think someone just suggested this cycle and the rest followed. You will see that a lot of the steroid profiles on all sites are the same information just copied. It's the same way for cycles. It's better to get advice of members and mods on sites like this than just follow template cycles. This way you can put together a cycle tailored to your stats and needs.

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-02-2005, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by znak

Does anyone know why deca used to be recommended with primo?

Yes. It is because they are both more anabolic than androgenic . Less sides than running deca at a higher dose. This is why I recommend test/deca/eq as a stack. Another good stack would be test/primo/eq. I would at least run a replacement dose of testosterone as it is the natural hormone that the male body needs to function properly...

So if you use primo/eq/test and you do not want a highly aromatizable compound at a large dose try:
1-14 primo(methenolone enanthate ) 200-300 every 3.5(400-600mg total)
1-14 test enanthate 100-150 every 3.5(200-300mg total)
1-12 eq 300 every 3.5 days also.(600 total)

Var at that dose is too small and not ran long enough. If you must add an oral change the primo with deca(but only to week12) and run winny 25mg twice per day(50mg total) first 4 weeks as well as last 4 weeks right up to pct.

**znak** · 08-03-2005, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

So if you use primo/eq/test and you do not want a highly aromatizable compound at a large dose try:
1-14 primo(methenolone enanthate ) 200-300 every 3.5(400-600mg total)
1-14 test enanthate 100-150 every 3.5(200-300mg total)
1-12 eq 300 every 3.5 days also.(600 total)

Var at that dose is too small and not ran long enough. If you must add an oral change the primo with deca(but only to week12) and run winny 25mg twice per day(50mg total) first 4 weeks as well as last 4 weeks right up to pct.

Winny kills my joints and I have var. Could I substitute var at 40mg ed for the winny in weeks 1-4 and 8-12? If I do, should I run deca or primo?

**Barbell** · 08-03-2005, 01:31 AM

Run var for weeks 1-4. If you have some winny run it from weeks 8-12 at the end of your course. 2 weeks past your last shot of test and primo.

**znak** · 08-03-2005, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Barbell

Run var for weeks 1-4. If you have some winny run it from weeks 8-12 at the end of your course. 2 weeks past your last shot of test and primo.

Winny and me don't agree. It is hell on my joints. That was why I was asking if I could/should run var at 40ed for week 1-4 and 8-12.

**znak** · 08-03-2005, 06:55 AM

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**Mesomorphyl** · 08-03-2005, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by znak

Winny kills my joints and I have var. Could I substitute var at 40mg ed for the winny in weeks 1-4 and 8-12? If I do, should I run deca or primo?

Yes var would be nice first 4 weeks, and if you run longer esters I would count backwards from pct and use those last 4 weeks as it will keep your levels up into pct.

Now your question is running deca or primo? Well, that would depend if you just run a replacement dose of test. You have read all about deca dick so your choice... If the primo is expensive maybe go EQ. If you are running eq already then I would use either stacked with it... again personal preference.

Hope this helps. PM me if you want to talk weekly doses of your cycle.

**znak** · 08-03-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Yes var would be nice first 4 weeks, and if you run longer esters I would count backwards from pct and use those last 4 weeks as it will keep your levels up into pct.

Now your question is running deca or primo? Well, that would depend if you just run a replacement dose of test. You have read all about deca dick so your choice... If the primo is expensive maybe go EQ. If you are running eq already then I would use either stacked with it... again personal preference.

Hope this helps. PM me if you want to talk weekly doses of your cycle.

Thanks bro.

**JasperJ** · 08-03-2005, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by znak

Winny and me don't agree. It is hell on my joints. That was why I was asking if I could/should run var at 40ed for week 1-4 and 8-12.

I'll tell you that nothing makes my joints hurt like Primo. I had to stop my last cycle half way cause the Primo put aches in the joints I wasn't even using.

If you run it with Deca your joints should be okay, but watch out for it anyway. Are you sure you want to use Deca in a cutting cycle bro?