Lactating nipples!

**don anabolico** · 09-05-2005, 02:57 PM

what the hell does this mean....
high proclin levels yes, but anything serious....
someone comfot me here, lol wtf is going on.
been on test/tren for 6 weeks and sex drive is done a bit...
about to start same cycle in 3 weeks... bad idea? what if i run dostinex throughout cycle?

**mike2nice** · 09-05-2005, 03:07 PM

your lactating?!?

**niXon)(** · 09-05-2005, 03:13 PM

dude you have to ask a question

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 03:16 PM

yes bro its progesterone gyno because of tren get som vit b6 "pyridoxine" i recommend that you dont do any progstin roids like tren & winny coz your prone to progsterone gyno dont freak out i kno it sux but get b6 up your nolva to take care of any lumps if there is any go with 80mg nolva & 200mg b6

good luck,

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**Jsik98** · 09-05-2005, 03:17 PM

Vitamin B6 will lower your prolactin levels and stop the lactating. A safe dose is 200mg split into morning and evening doses. Hope this helps,good luck.

**BigNar** · 09-05-2005, 03:17 PM

Nolva, also I read somewhere that stimulation of the nipples increases prolactin production so it might be a good idea to not mess with them.

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 03:18 PM

oh btw dont start any cycle till you take care of the lactating thing 100%.

**don anabolico** · 09-05-2005, 03:36 PM

thanks for the advice bro's....
how long does it usually take to get rid of lactating nips?
so you think my next cycle shouldnt be test tren ? even if im taking dostinex?
thank for all the help guys, its really cool to have people know what the ****s going on, lol. i have b6, and will take it... you think there is a need for dostinex right now or or not? im guessing the b6 will help the sex drive recover to right?

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 03:43 PM

no i dont think b6 got anything to do with sex drive if your sex drive kinda falled get some proviron its good for that purpose but if you feel u didnt recover after pct get back on clomid along with proviron to get this test levels back to normal but dont worry your hormones are not stable yet after cycle sometimes it kinda take time, about the length use b6 till your back normal it wont hurt its a vitamin.

good luck,

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**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by ][-][ ][-][ ][-][

dont do any progstin roids like tren & winny

Winny is progesteronic?

Wrong!

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 03:47 PM

[QUOTE=don anabolico]thanks for the advice bro's....
how long does it usually take to get rid of lactating nips?
so you think my next cycle shouldnt be test tren ?

no its ok with test but am not sure about (tren/winny/deca ) maybe it will cause the same prob look use b6 if it stoped the lactating then go with test/tren if you want on 1 condition that b6 will be a part of your cycle like nolva to fight any elevated prolactin levels.

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**Swifto** · 09-05-2005, 03:47 PM

Sounds as though its progesterone related gyno. Stay clear of Tren , Deca , EQ and Winny. Vit B-6, Dostinex or Bromo will help combat these side effects.

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

Winny is progesteronic?

Wrong!

yes bro (winny/deca /tren /eq) all those are progestins

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**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 03:52 PM

Hooker's profiles tell us that Winny has anti-progesteronic effects

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 09-05-2005, 03:55 PM

I know that EQ does because my buddy started to lactate while on....
Deca and tren for sure.
use 200mg of B6 3x ED.... till you stop leaking....

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

Hooker's profiles tell us that Winny has anti-progesteronic effects

not that strong anti-progstin its just a study but i never ever heard that any1 stoped elevated prolactin levels with winny but i heared that winny cause elevated prolactin levels & not to mention there is no comparison between b6 & winny when it comes to fight prolactin just like nolva & clomid there is a study that said clomid is good anti-estrogen but not very strong like nolva its weak anti but yet to some point its an anti.

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**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:06 PM

What did your buddy use with his equipose?

Does anyone have any studies showing Equipose and Winny to be progesteronic?

I have not seen any information which leads me to believe they are progesteronic compounds

If you have any studies proving this theory i would be most appreciative

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 09-05-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

What did your buddy use with his equipose?

Does anyone have any studies showing Equipose and Winny to be progesteronic?

I have not seen any information which leads me to believe they are progesteronic compounds

If you have any studies proving this theory i would be most appreciative

AFAIK there are no studies with EQ....

600mg of B6 split into 3 doses

**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by ][-][ ][-][ ][-][

not that strong anti-progstin

It's not a strong anti-progesterone

But it is anti-progesteronic all the same

Originally Posted by ][-][ ][-][ ][-][

its just a study

Just a study? - It's a scientific study

What more could you ask for?

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

What did your buddy use with his equipose?

Does anyone have any studies showing Equipose and Winny to be progesteronic?

I have not seen any information which leads me to believe they are progesteronic compounds

If you have any studies proving this theory i would be most appreciative

sure bro i'll look for a study & try to make a new thread to talk about the progstin roids.

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***Mr. Sparkle*** · 09-05-2005, 04:15 PM

Sorry to crap on everyones day....... but just because hooker says it doesnt make it the final say.....

**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:17 PM

Deca and Tren are both 19-Nor steroids
They also have progesteronic activity

Equipose has a double bond at the 1st and 2nd carbon atom

Winny is a 17-AA compound

As neither Equipose or Winny are 19-Nor compounds they are not progesteronic

IMO

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

It's not a strong anti-progesterone

But it is anti-progesteronic all the same

Just a study? - It's a scientific study

What more could you ask for?

for me i like to see the results with my own eyes 2nd thing most of this studies are so old that most ppl rely on & i never heared any1 on AR or anywhere used winny to fight elevated prolactin levels did you hear it before??

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***Mr. Sparkle*** · 09-05-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

Deca and Tren are both 19-Nor steroids
They also have progesteronic activity

Equipose has a double bond at the 1st and 2nd carbon atom

Winny is a 17-AA compound

As neither Equipose or Winny are 19-Nor compounds they are not progesteronic

IMO

All true, but what happens when you take in a synthetic form of test? Your body thinks its makin too much and releases hormones to make hormones....
So there is a chance that not just estrogen is elevated, but also progesterone. Which would explain my buddy lactating on EQ....

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:27 PM

hey ant 8u this is a good thread am really enjoyin the discussion bout the progestin with you roids i hope all threads like this without any flame

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**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:27 PM

I do not think your body produces more Estrogen to counter balance the effect of elevated Testosterone levels

More like the Testosterone aromatises into Estrogen

**jnx3k** · 09-05-2005, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

AFAIK there are no studies with EQ....

600mg of B6 split into 3 doses

Isnt this a bit too much b6 per day. I thought anything over 200mg/ed is bad for the eyes. Or is it just until the lactating subsides, and then use the 200mg as a maintenence dose?

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

I do not think your body produces more Estrogen to counter balance the effect of elevated Testosterone levels

More like the Testosterone aromatises into Estrogen

so bro how do you explain that some ppl lactate on winny & eq btw there is a thread here about a guy who used just winny & primo & now he is lactatin i wonder if hey are not progestins so why ppl lactate from them????

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**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:32 PM

STUDIES

Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid or Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects

Now there is evidence that Winny does indeed bind to the progesterone receptor(1) and its users do not indicate the normal characteristics of progesterone stimulation, which bodes well for these anti-progestagenic properties. There is also some clinical data that it does aid in symptoms that require progesterone suppression(2)

References

1 Ellis AJ, Cawston TE, Mackie EJ., The differential effects of stanozolol on human skin and synovial fibroblasts in vitro: DNA synthesis and receptor binding., Agents Actions 1994 Mar;41(1-2):37-43

2 Brestel EP, Thrush LB., The treatment of glucocorticosteroid-dependent chronic urticaria with stanozolol., J Allergy Clin Immunol 1988 Aug;82(2):265-9

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

STUDIES

Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid or Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects

Now there is evidence that Winny does indeed bind to the progesterone receptor(1) and its users do not indicate the normal characteristics of progesterone stimulation, which bodes well for these anti-progestagenic properties. There is also some clinical data that it does aid in symptoms that require progesterone suppression(2)

References

1 Ellis AJ, Cawston TE, Mackie EJ., The differential effects of stanozolol on human skin and synovial fibroblasts in vitro: DNA synthesis and receptor binding., Agents Actions 1994 Mar;41(1-2):37-43

2 Brestel EP, Thrush LB., The treatment of glucocorticosteroid-dependent chronic urticaria with stanozolol., J Allergy Clin Immunol 1988 Aug;82(2):265-9

nice bro but i think winny is more like nolva when you use nolva more than 80mg then there will be an estrogen rebound i think the same story happens with winny when we exceed the doses right?

**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:37 PM

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hey ant 8u this is a good thread am really enjoyin the discussion bout the progestin with you roids i hope all threads like this without any flame

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No flaming intended bro

That's what makes it interesting - It's an informed educational discussion

If we do not share our opinions we will never learn

I respect your opinions and enjoy talking to you

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

No flaming intended bro

That's what makes it interesting - It's an informed educational discussion

If we do not share our opinions we will never learn

I respect your opinions and enjoy talking to you

same here bro its a pleasure talking to you too & your 100% right without sharing opinions no one will learn

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**powerliftmike** · 09-05-2005, 04:44 PM

ant_8u is right. Winny is based on DHT and thus cannot have estrogenic/proestrogenic type effects. If you are lactating you probably have some serious gyno and should go to a doctor immediately.

**][-][ ][-][ ][-][** · 09-05-2005, 04:45 PM

anyway this was a great thread but am off now to eat it was pleasure talking to you ant 8u

& good luck don.

l8r

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**don anabolico** · 09-05-2005, 04:47 PM

wow! lol... hey people we're talking about my titties here not about winny possibly being protostagenic!

haha, just kidding, ya interesting.... so i can take winny right? lol

**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:49 PM

What was the original question?

**don anabolico** · 09-05-2005, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

What was the original question?

whats your favorite color?

**don anabolico** · 09-05-2005, 04:52 PM

no but thanks seriously, im going to do 600mg of b6/day until nipples turn back to man nipples. im also changing my next cycle from test/tren to test anavar (oxandrin).. yum ...
or any ideas, i need a cycle for lean gains...

**ant_8u** · 09-05-2005, 04:54 PM

You say you've been on Test and Tren for 6 weeks

Then you mention you're starting the same cycle in 3 weeks

Can you explain what you've done and want to do a little more clearly?

**don anabolico** · 09-05-2005, 05:04 PM

ok i did a 10 week cycle of test and tren 400mg of each per week...
while i was on my fking sex drive was a little down... i came off and it was still down, even after 6 weeks of perfect pct including hcg , nolva, clomid, and adex (which im still all on) ... so i came to the conclusion that my test might be fine and my proclin levels might be high, and thats when i squeeze my nips. before squeezing my nips i found out i was going to s. africa (where im from) to see my family that i havnt seen in 7 years, so i wanted to look big. i was gonna start test and tren in 3 weeks, but i guess im not anymore cause you guys say to stay clear of tren even with dostinex, so ill look for an alternating aas cycle. thats my short story, lol