Bread and butter cycle

**Landmine** · 09-15-2005, 08:15 AM

This thanksgiving I will be running my first B&B cycle. I have done about 5-6 cycles in the past but they were mostly test prop and tren .

Here's the plan

week 1-4 30mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth and 300mgs deca
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

would you change anything?

Also, my training partner is considering his first cycle and I'm trying to help him plan. I came up with two options for him. Could you tell me which one would be better for him and if I should change anything?

option 1
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

or
option 2
weeks 1-4 15mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 250 test enth
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

Thanks! Any advice appreciated

**SHAOKAHN** · 09-15-2005, 08:22 AM

Regardless of what you choose to do, wait 2 weeks to start PCT with a long acting ester.

**Landmine** · 09-15-2005, 08:23 AM

That's true. Thanks!

**Pinnacle** · 09-15-2005, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Landmine

This thanksgiving I will be running my first B&B cycle. I have done about 5-6 cycles in the past but they were mostly test prop and tren .

Here's the plan

week 1-4 30mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth and 300mgs deca
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

would you change anything?

Also, my training partner is considering his first cycle and I'm trying to help him plan. I came up with two options for him. Could you tell me which one would be better for him and if I should change anything?

option 1
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

or
option 2
weeks 1-4 15mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 250 test enth
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

Thanks! Any advice appreciated

Curious as to why you're calling that cycle a b&b cycle?

IMO you're running the Test too short.13 weeks would be far better IMO.Also,you deca dose is too low.400 mgs for 12 weeks would surfice.

As for your friend.Cycle #1 would be best for him.

~Pinnacle~

**SHAOKAHN** · 09-15-2005, 08:25 AM

BTW "option 2" is not enough test.

**SHAOKAHN** · 09-15-2005, 08:27 AM

Beat me to it!! Absolutley what Pinnacle said IMO.

**stayinstacked** · 09-15-2005, 08:34 AM

I wouldnt run clomid for 4 wks myself, I'd do 3 wks

**Landmine** · 09-15-2005, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Curious as to why you're calling that cycle a b&b cycle?

IMO you're running the Test too short.13 weeks would be far better IMO.Also,you deca dose is too low.400 mgs for 12 weeks would surfice.

As for your friend.Cycle #1 would be best for him.

~Pinnacle~

Bread and butter cycle (Test/Deca/Dbol ) is just what I have heard it reffered to.

**tawweiliu** · 09-15-2005, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Landmine
This thanksgiving I will be running my first B&B cycle. I have done about 5-6 cycles in the past but they were mostly test prop and tren .

Here's the plan

week 1-4 30mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth and 300mgs deca
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

would you change anything?

Also, my training partner is considering his first cycle and I'm trying to help him plan. I came up with two options for him. Could you tell me which one would be better for him and if I should change anything?

option 1
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

or
option 2
weeks 1-4 15mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 250 test enth
weeks 11-12 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 13-14 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

[U]Thanks! Any advice appreciated[U]

What if it was this!
option 1
weeks 1-10 650mgs test enth
weeks 7-12 Win 30 mg
weeks 1-14 10 mg of nola
weeks 14-17 100 then 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

**Landmine** · 09-15-2005, 08:44 AM

What if it was this!
option 1
weeks 1-10 650mgs test enth
weeks 7-12 Win 30 mg
weeks 1 14 10 mg of nola
weeks 14-17 100 then 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva[/QUOTE]

So drop the dbol and add winny? I want to add as much mass as possible.

**stayinstacked** · 09-15-2005, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Landmine

What if it was this!
option 1
weeks 1-10 650mgs test enth
weeks 7-12 Win 30 mg
weeks 1 14 10 mg of nola
weeks 14-17 100 then 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

So drop the dbol and add winny? I want to add as much mass as possible.[/QUOTE]

If your looking for mass then you def need to up that winny dosage to 100mg ed. Winny is known for its cutting properties, but you can add some good mass off it as well, you just need to double the dosage of it

**Pinnacle** · 09-15-2005, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Landmine

What if it was this!
option 1
weeks 1-10 650mgs test enth
weeks 7-12 Win 30 mg
weeks 1 14 10 mg of nola
weeks 14-17 100 then 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

So drop the dbol and add winny? I want to add as much mass as possible.[/QUOTE]

Bro...read this guys post before you even think about taking his advice.

~Pinnacle~

**tawweiliu** · 09-15-2005, 08:55 AM

Stayinstacked thanks

I am going to use 30mg a week with 650mg test but ya he can go up to 50 or 60mg a week and from reading hooker post I think I will add 100 a week of deca just for my joints 7 - 12 week

**tawweiliu** · 09-15-2005, 08:57 AM

Pinnacle

That post was for me I was not giving advice.
If you where talking about me?

**Landmine** · 09-15-2005, 11:58 AM

[QUOTE=Landmine]This thanksgiving I will be running my first B&B cycle. I have done about 5-6 cycles in the past but they were mostly test prop and tren .

Here's the plan

week 1-4 30mgs dbol
weeks 1-10 500mgs test enth and 300mgs deca
weeks 13-14 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva
weeks 15-16 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

How would I add hcg ?