this is what i researched and might try ...

**DSM4Life** · 11-11-2005, 09:10 PM

I am following MY tweaked version of

Novice Cycle #2-1
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

SUSTANON 250 250mg per week / 11 weeks
Deca 400 per week /10 weeks
Nolvadex /10 - 20 mg/Day
Vitamin B-6/ 100mg/Day

(no D-bol)

followed by PCT
Clomid
Nova
Vitamin B-6/ 100mg/Day

What ya think ? Also since i am going to be gettign water retention you think it would be better to lay of creatine while on cycle ? I figure better to pick it up on PCT.

Goal : Gain 10-12 lbs of keepable weight.
Also what size needles can i get away with ? I forget the size i used last time but it started to feel like a straw poking into my skin but i delt with it.

Backround
Tried cycle before with OMNADREN 250 500mg per week but lost all gains. I was stupid and uneducated. Now as you can tell i am gaining a lot of knowledge here , thanks.

**dive_kid** · 11-11-2005, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

I am following MY tweaked version of

Novice Cycle #2-1
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

SUSTANON 250 250mg per week / 11 weeks
Deca 400 per week /10 weeks
Nolvadex /10 - 20 mg/Day
Vitamin B-6/ 100mg/Day

(no D-bol)

followed by PCT
Clomid
Nova
Vitamin B-6/ 100mg/Day

What ya think ? Also since i am going to be gettign water retention you think it would be better to lay of creatine while on cycle ? I figure better to pick it up on PCT.

Goal : Gain 10-12 lbs of keepable weight.
Also what size needles can i get away with ? I forget the size i used last time but it started to feel like a straw poking into my skin but i delt with it.

Backround
Tried cycle before with OMNADREN 250 500mg per week but lost all gains. I was stupid and uneducated. Now as you can tell i am gaining a lot of knowledge here , thanks.

need more test bro. test needs to be run higher than deca. I would look at 500mg/week. that is about average. nolva is a good idea but wont help to much with bloating. it is a good anti-e. other than that, it looks ok to me, but if this is your first "educated cycle", I would stick to 500mg test/week.
no need for deca yet. just my opinion

**DSM4Life** · 11-11-2005, 09:31 PM

My body was fine with 500mg of OMNADREN 250 that why i was going to stack. All that i read and even hear from people is that DECA is one of the best. So i decided to do the deca but as i found out, you cant take deca without test which is why it brough me back to this stack.

**NYC BIG MIKE** · 11-11-2005, 09:39 PM

Test needs to be higher than deca .

**DSM4Life** · 11-11-2005, 09:43 PM

Well if i am so set on Deca . How about :

Test 500mg per week
Deca 200mg per week

**NYC BIG MIKE** · 11-11-2005, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Well if i am so set on Deca . How about :

Test 500mg per week
Deca 200mg per week

Perfect. No one said Deca is bad, it's a good synergy between deca and test. Just keep test higher.

**eGGz** · 11-11-2005, 09:53 PM

Sust/Deca cycle:
1-13 Sust @ 525mg EW (inject 150mg EOD)
1-12 Deca @ 400mg EW
1-15 Vit B-6 @ 200mg ED
1-20 A-Dex @ .25mg ED
17-20 Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
17-20 Clomid @ 100mg ED
Run PCT for four weeks or until you fully recover.

**Prime** · 11-11-2005, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE

Test needs to be higher than deca.

why? Could you expand on this please.

**DSM4Life** · 11-11-2005, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by eGGz

Sust/Deca cycle:
1-13 Sust @ 525mg EW (inject 150mg EOD)
1-12 Deca @ 400mg EW
1-15 Vit B-6 @ 200mg ED
1-20 A-Dex @ .25mg ED
17-20 Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
17-20 Clomid @ 100mg ED
Run PCT for four weeks or until you fully recover.

Read a report on Vit B-6 which is no longer recommended at 200mg, could cause nerve damage. 100mg is now the avg. recommended dosage.

**eGGz** · 11-11-2005, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Read a report on Vit B-6 which is no longer recommended at 200mg, could cause nerve damage. 100mg is now the avg. recommended dosage.

Love to, whereisit ?

**DSM4Life** · 11-11-2005, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by eGGz

Love to, whereisit ?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=187509

**eGGz** · 11-12-2005, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=187509

Good Info,,, thanks bro

**DSM4Life** · 11-12-2005, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by eGGz

Good Info,,, thanks bro

Anytime, i know most still do 200mg but just to be on the safe side , i am going with 100mg.

**DSM4Life** · 11-18-2005, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by dive_kid

need more test bro. test needs to be run higher than deca . I would look at 500mg/week. that is about average. nolva is a good idea but wont help to much with bloating. it is a good anti-e. other than that, it looks ok to me, but if this is your first "educated cycle", I would stick to 500mg test/week.
no need for deca yet. just my opinion

I know it has been a bit but i have been putting a lot of thought into it. I think that i am just going to go with the sus250 2 shots a week for 500mg a week. I think that it is a smarter move. Now i am still going to take the nolva but you think i still need the vit 6 ?