Just left the Doctor............"F*****SOB"

**tcw** · 12-21-2005, 11:05 PM

For those interested....Here is the Thread.

Let us know what you think....
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=34527

**tcw** · 12-21-2005, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Reprisal 6

Not a great attitude.
You may have more to lose than you think. Using steroids and playing with hormones isn't a game.

Not a Great Attitude??....LOL....Dude....your not reading me correctly. I said safety is my #1 concern...I've also mentioned expert author's on the subject and even listed a post above from a long time user here.... I also mentioned my time of study on this subject....This cycle is probably the SAFEST i've seen on this board....and certainly WAY safer than those i've seen posted here.

Are you going to tell us that Cyp. done at 3-400 mg a week for 6-8 weeks is safer than the cycle i posted???

The Cyp. esther makes this product active for 14-16 days after injection???

I appreciate the input but....Please read carefully before you comment

Thnks!

**IBdmfkr** · 12-21-2005, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE

It's the duration. Short cycles are 28 days minimum according to the very author you are reading.

Exactly, have the book in the other room by L. Rea

**tcw** · 12-21-2005, 11:16 PM

Dudes....read Author Reas latest writings....they are on Bodybuilding.com.

You'll be up to date then....meanwhile....read that thread above....

thnks

**tcw** · 12-21-2005, 11:20 PM

Hey BTW....you guys can thank me after reading that Post above...its ok...i won't Gloat!...LOL

hey....signing off for tonight....but i do thank everyone for their input...

Good night all!

**Tren Bull** · 12-22-2005, 01:00 AM

in my experience, i only begin to see results at 2 weeks, which is at that point mostly water retention. but hey, if you really want to do it then go ahead. personally i would never go any shorter than 8 weeks. also, you should run clen for a few weeks after you finish your cycle, youl keep alot more that way.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-22-2005, 01:35 AM

Tcw, the reason I say 2wks is too short is from personal experience with Prop at that dosage. It wasn't until week 3-5 that I really noticed it doing it's thing. Therefore I think 2wks is just not enough time to build quality muscle, seems like you should just stick to a well-rounded bulking diet rather than put your hormones through this 2wk rollercoaster.

**N4cer** · 12-22-2005, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by tcw

Keep in mind....the cycle is actually 4 weeks long ...including PCT...

Um, the English language itself tells you that PCT is not part of your cycle. That's why it's called POST cycle therapy .
Post = After
If it's therapy occuring AFTER your cycle, it's not part of your cycle.
Stupid ass new-age wannabe net gurus who read too much BS and don't experiment enough made up that CRAP about PCT being on-time. You really need to read more, apparently.

**tcw** · 12-22-2005, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by N4cer

Um, the English language itself tells you that PCT is not part of your cycle. That's why it's called POST cycle therapy .
Post = After
If it's therapy occuring AFTER your cycle, it's not part of your cycle.
Stupid ass new-age wannabe net gurus who read too much BS and don't experiment enough made up that CRAP about PCT being on-time. You really need to read more, apparently.

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the sarcastic comments to yourself!

**tcw** · 12-22-2005, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Tcw, the reason I say 2wks is too short is from personal experience with Prop at that dosage. It wasn't until week 3-5 that I really noticed it doing it's thing. Therefore I think 2wks is just not enough time to build quality muscle, seems like you should just stick to a well-rounded bulking diet rather than put your hormones through this 2wk rollercoaster.

thnks IBD...i am still considering the cycle plan. haven't heard from Marcus yet.

BTW...did you read the post from above....?

**spywizard** · 12-22-2005, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by tcw

i just left the Dr. and got a script for cypinate. However....i wanted to try Propinate for my first cycle...but the Dr. said...no way. I asked him why and his response was...."i don't prescibe propinate....only cypinate, deca and anavar ...and i don't think that much testosterone would be good for you as a first time user."

I looked at him and realized that he didn't know very much about steroids . I tried to explain to him that cypinate stays in the system longer....but it was like talking to a brick wall. I know i can get propinate from another pharmacy (legit) but i wanted the opinion of some of Pro's here...

What do you think...Should i try cypinate for my first cycle or get the propinate?

Thnks

"Any constructive input is greatly appreciated!"

I would suggest that the real reason is he doesn't want you to stick 1x ed or eod..

also the normal HRT is 200mg eow.. to start anyway..

***BajanBastard*** · 12-22-2005, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by tcw

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the negative remarks to yourself!

POST cycle means AFTER cycle so how can it be part for the cycle? Most people do not consider this part of the AAS cycle. AAS focuses on using drugs to complement a solid base diet and training program. As said before you will not get the goals you seek using that current cycle. 6 weeks is a more realistic timeframe.

**tcw** · 12-22-2005, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

POST cycle means AFTER cycle so how can it be part for the cycle? Most people do not conceder this part of the AAS cycle. AAS focuses on using drugs to complement a solid base diet and training program. As said before you will not get the goals you seek using that current cycle. 6 weeks is a more realistic timeframe.

Let me ask you 2 questions....and then i will drop this tangent point...because its not the focus of the post.

1) If you were to do a cycle....would u do PCT?

2) Would you do PCT by itself?....iF not...then Why?

The answer is AAS and PCT....are BOTH part of YOUR CYCLE!As i said...you (like the previous poster) are getting lost in symantecs....and you haven't read the article i posted....

Over!

***BajanBastard*** · 12-22-2005, 10:09 AM

Ummmmmm i hate to tell you this but that artical is BS.

Tren's anabolic characteristic (20 percent of total response), is weaker than that of test

Wrong.

Tren is our primary androgen, and nandrolone our primary anabolic

IMO BS. Trenbolone is a 'super' nandrolone why the need to stack them?

The BBer doing the typical 8 week long acting ester cycle exists for weeks in a kind of limbo, where the blood levels are not high enough for anabolism

More crap. Long esters are anabolic within hours of administration.

What we found is that, anytime you use test, it magnifies the sides of whatever you use with it.

Huh? Last time i looked test magnifies the anabolic potential of non aromatizing AAS like tren .

Indeed, ANY amount of estrogen is BAD in any cycle!

Oh? So what should i take 2.5mg letrozole ed and walk around with 0% estrogen for the rast of my life? Estrogen in excess in the male body is bad yes. However we still need it.

Anyway the 2 wk cycle will eventually get you to your goals. Good luck.

**Anabolios** · 12-22-2005, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by tcw

Thnaks dudes...

I will ask "marcus" what his opinion is.

The truth of the matter is....if i gain only 5 lbs of quality muscle from this cycle... i will be happy. If i can repeat it 4 times a year....thats 15-20lbs in one year!

I'm bettin i can do 15-20 lbs of quality muscle....in one year...and do it with minimal sides (keeping my fingers crossed....and educating myself).

you wont keep gaining the same amouint of weight each time..your body is going to get used to it and not react the same as before..i prefer 3-4 months out of the year not including PCT then train naturally unless you are really trying to get huge and stay huge
in that case some good friends of mine stay on upwards of 10 months which isnt for me but to each his own

**N4cer** · 12-22-2005, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by tcw

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the sarcastic comments to yourself!

You you kidding me? PCT is not considered part of your cycle. It's considered to be your POST CYCLE. Of course I would do a PCT with every cycle (even though your ignorant little self just said a page ago that you're trying to "avoid PCT").
You come on here as a newbie asking retarded questions and talk to ME that way? You ignorant child, you have no idea what you even said, do ya? Idiot. Read:

Originally Posted by tcw

Keep in mind....the cycle is actually 4 weeks long ...including PCT...

So my point is you were saying you think you'll get those gains because it's actually 4 weeks, including PCT. My point was your PCT time has nothing to do with making gains toward your goal. Just toward keeping your gains.

Now, I'm going to forgive your stupidity just because it's obvious that you know jack crap about the topics you're speaking of. I mean, I guess you're being a little smart-mouthed b1t<h because everyone is pointing out your faults. But why be so defensive? You asked for input, then argue why you don't need it. Just get off the board if you already have the answers, smart-ass internet tough guy.

**kloter1** · 12-22-2005, 02:30 PM

2 weeks of cyp? youre going to be off before youll get anything from it. what a waste.

**tcw** · 12-22-2005, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by N4cer

You you kidding me? PCT is not considered part of your cycle. It's considered to be your POST CYCLE. Of course I would do a PCT with every cycle (even though your ignorant little self just said a page ago that you're trying to "avoid PCT").
You come on here as a newbie asking retarded questions and talk to ME that way? You ignorant child, you have no idea what you even said, do ya? Idiot. Read:

So my point is you were saying you think you'll get those gains because it's actually 4 weeks, including PCT. My point was your PCT time has nothing to do with making gains toward your goal. Just toward keeping your gains.

Now, I'm going to forgive your stupidity just because it's obvious that you know jack crap about the topics you're speaking of. I mean, I guess you're being a little smart-mouthed b1t<h because everyone is pointing out your faults. But why be so defensive? You asked for input, then argue why you don't need it. Just get off the board if you already have the answers, smart-ass internet tough guy.

1) You sound like some juvinille deliquent who's DYING TO make a point.... Sorry i don't agree with you.

2) You are arguing over a point of symantecs. Do EVERYONE a favor...since i can't reach through the computer and Grab you by the throat...just go away.

3) So what's next tough guy...."get out of Dodge before the sun down." Hey Dopey....i wouldn't give you shit if your weren't such a dick. Learn how to speak to people before you hammer on the keys. What's the matter....wife left you for someone who knows how to KEEP HIS COOL?

4) I doubt you would have the guts (or stupidity) to talk like that me in person....so why get brave over this median?

**tcw** · 12-22-2005, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by kloter1

2 weeks of cyp? youre going to be off before youll get anything from it. what a waste.

Geez....another guy who can't read...(sigh)

**Bill Clinton** · 12-22-2005, 07:29 PM

tcw....these are the same midwest conservatives that voted for George Bush (lol). Don't let um get to you. They would argue about what day the ground hog pops his head up...but not want to talk common sense because it might make them look ignorant.

I suggest you midwest boys get ahold of yourself and put down the rifle before its too late. And for God's sake...don't vote republican again!

Peace out!

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 12-22-2005, 07:30 PM

I wish I could find doctors like some of you guys.THe only person I ever knew who had a doc that they could get what they wanted was this ho in highschool and Im sure she earned those scripts.

**Bill Clinton** · 12-22-2005, 07:31 PM

tcw....these are the same midwest conservatives that voted for George Bush (lol). Don't let um get to you. They would argue about what day the ground hog pops his head up...but not want to talk common sense because it might make them look ignorant.

I suggest you Midwest boys get ahold of yourself and put down the rifle before its too late. And for God's sake...don't vote republican again!

Peace out!

**johnsiegal** · 12-22-2005, 07:43 PM

QUOTE FROM N4cer "You you kidding me? PCT is not considered part of your cycle. It's considered to be your POST CYCLE. Of course I would do a PCT with every cycle (even though your ignorant little self just said a page ago that you're trying to "avoid PCT"). You come on here as a newbie asking retarded questions and talk to ME that way? You ignorant child, you have no idea what you even said, do ya? Idiot. Read:"

Woa....sounds like someone's gettin some bad juice (haha).

I've been a spectator here for a few weeks...and i've noticed some of you, so called EXPERIENCED users BLAST a newby for making suggestions or asking questions. That most certainly has happened on this this post.

Believe me when i tell you....you wouldn't talk like that to me in person either! (or at least not be standing very long).

I'm with the beginner on this one....

**N4cer** · 12-22-2005, 08:38 PM

I'm not blasting him for asking questions. I'm blasting him for asking questions then telling all the people who answer him why the answer is wrong.

And how about you address the issue of not knowing the basics (like that pct is required but is not considered to be on time, and how to spell cypionate and propionate ) instead of arguing? Many of us could really help you out if you'd stop arguing the advice you're given.

**Seattle Junk** · 12-22-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by tcw

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the sarcastic comments to yourself!

PCT is not part of a cycle. It stands for Post (after), Cycle (roids), Therapy. You don't grow in PCT unless your doing another type of drug like IGF or GH.

**Machdiesel** · 12-22-2005, 09:55 PM

u want 10 pounds?? do a 12 week test E cycle, great first cycle, ull get the weight gain u want, n its a very safe cycle if ran correctly

**Reprisal 6** · 12-22-2005, 10:30 PM

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by tcw

This cycle is probably the SAFEST i've seen on this board....and certainly WAY safer than those i've seen posted here.

And the least effective.

Are you going to tell us that Cyp. done at 3-400 mg a week for 6-8 weeks is safer than the cycle i posted???

I'd argue relatively the same. But 8 weeks of test cyp. will be more effective than 2 weeks of prop. Bottom line.

I appreciate the input but....Please read carefully before you comment

Thanks for the advice. I'll make sure to read more carefully.

**johnsiegal** · 12-22-2005, 10:50 PM

Here's the bottom line guys....we are all still learning about AAS and HGH! No-one person can tell another....what will work for HIM....Period. Morevover...i doubt that any of you know what will work for you IN THE FUTURE....No gurantees.....PERIOD.

As far as spelling goes....LOL...GIVE me a break...this is the internet. BTW....in case you didn't know...with email and blog protocall....spelling does not count. We are not writing term papers here guys...we are just rapping (supposedly anyway).

So...take it easy when you run your mouth....You might just put your foot in it!

Peace...

**tcw** · 12-23-2005, 07:54 AM

LOL....i wish to thank all you guys (even the smart ass ones) for making this a great thread.

Thnks johnsiegal for clearing the air...my sentiments exactly...

Happy Holidays!

**GetHugeDieTrying** · 12-23-2005, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by tcw

1) Yes...gear is legal if prescribed. If you have a good insurance plan and you are of reasonable age (over 30) you can get it prescibed under HRT. Of course if you are a junkee....your relationship with your DR won't last. Most dr's want blood work that indicates a below normal test level. REMEMBER...Testosterone was developed originally to help those who were mal-nurished, imanciated or victims of War (sp).

2) Dr's such as Endocronologist (sp) prescribe juice like it was no-tommorrow. Of course the majority of their patients are AIDS cases, people with terminal disease and transgender ops.

Thnks for the input....appreciate it. I just placed an order for grapeseed oil to cut the propinate.....however i will consider the cypinate for my first cycle. Problem is....i don't want to inject for more than 4 weeks...i am trying to avoid any PCT.....

if your trying to avoid pct dont do ****in steriods .pct is the key to keep gains. holy shit im sorry its the morning, and str8 fwd bluntness is what u need to hear. Do the cyp for **** sakes. no one pops their cherry with prop. enan or cyp.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-23-2005, 11:46 AM

Why bash the guy, let him run his 2week cycle, Not sure if I'm the only one that is curious to see the results. I hope he proves us wrong. Try it TCW, only one way to find out, but be sure to report back and don't bullshit about your results. Thanks.

**tcw** · 12-23-2005, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Why bash the guy, let him run his 2week cycle, Not sure if I'm the only one that is curious to see the results. I hope he proves us wrong. Try it TCW, only one way to find out, but be sure to report back and don't bullshit about your results. Thanks.

Hey thanks IBd...i just got the go ahead from marcus (as you recommended). I've read one of Paul Borrensons books...and he's also a proponent of this type of cycle too....

appreciate your input...Happy Holidays to ya~!

**MASTER** · 12-23-2005, 12:38 PM

i really dont wna help u becoz ur a bit too big for ur boots in my opinion, but since im so close to 2000 i will. Short cycles can work very effectively as myself and marcus were discussing in another thread, but the idea is to run a short estered injectable at a high dosage to flood your receptors and put ur body in a high level of anabolism that it cannot maintain for long. This method will not work with cyp and is unlikely to have much of an impact the dose of prop u suggested over 2 weeks. 12 weeks of cyp would be more appropriate for u imo, but hey what do I know

**JiGGaMaN** · 12-23-2005, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by tcw

I DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL....too much too loose.

as much as that comment pissed me off im gonna control myself

. your doctor was right to give you cyp and not prop for a first cycle. you might want to get used to injecting and what juice is all about before you jump into ED injections right off the bat. as for 2 weeks, thats not going to do anything but shut you down. that being said please do more research.

**Bill Clinton** · 12-23-2005, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by JamesC

i really dont wna help u becoz ur a bit too big for ur boots in my opinion, but since im so close to 2000 i will. Short cycles can work very effectively as myself and marcus were discussing in another thread, but the idea is to run a short estered injectable at a high dosage to flood your receptors and put ur body in a high level of anabolism that it cannot maintain for long. This method will not work with cyp and is unlikely to have much of an impact the dose of prop u suggested over 2 weeks. 12 weeks of cyp would be more appropriate for u imo, but hey what do I know

Hey guy....i believe the thread read....he wasn't interested in doing cyp....he wanted prop....because....as he corrected stated....prop is a short ester roid.

And i also read the article he quoted and posted....which was throughly researched and seemed to make A HELL OF ALOT MORE SEND THAN Your rant....

Before you get cocky and blast somebody...PLEASE READ CAREFULLY.

READ AGAIN....!

Peace out!