Propionate, Cypionate, or Enanthate ??

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-15-2006, 04:56 PM

If is have my choice of the 3 which would be best to stack with Deca for my next cycle ?

**j martini** · 01-15-2006, 05:02 PM

Enathate for me, given that it is probably a bulking cycle because your using deca , and also the long half lifes of deca and enanthate suit so you can inject both twice a week as oppoed to prop ED.

**Tattoo70** · 01-15-2006, 05:16 PM

I'm a prop man myself. Fast acting and I have had the best results on that...Just my opinion...

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-15-2006, 05:19 PM

This is what I have to work with...

6'
200lbs
BF: ?? I'm guessing 8 to 10%
Age 28
Been training hard for the past 6 years

My first AS cycle was d-bol and deca (blew up and got strong) but I had no PCT advice and didn't even know it was an option. My second was d-bol and Sust, again had some good gains put still was in the dark about PCT and had some bad sides with acne and mood

3rd round and ready to do it right!
As far as results go - I'm looking keep 15 to 20 lbs once this cycle is over. I was hoping to do this over a week 10 cycle. Since this will be my first real cycle would I be able to keep my dosage slightly lower ?

This is my idea for my upcoming cycle;

400mg test - WHICH ONE ??? (1-11)
250mg deca(1-10)
50mg Winny eod (7-11)
Clomid - not sure of dosage or time frame to start?

Let me know what you think... Thanks Bros I really want to do this one right!

**TomsTwinTowers** · 01-15-2006, 06:00 PM

Go with Test suspension !!!That is if you can deal with the pain... I got as big as a house on it.

**chest6** · 01-15-2006, 06:00 PM

with deca I would go with enanthate you should inject both bi-weekly

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-15-2006, 06:20 PM

What should be my inject days? ....and can I combine the 2

**SoulCard** · 01-15-2006, 06:34 PM

IMO, prop is the way to go as you wont retain as much water, especially if adding deca also...if you do go with cyp or en, you can shoot sun and thursday and yes you can combine the two and shoot at once...btw, i would go 12 weeks and have nolva on hand and add it into your pct with the clomid...

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-15-2006, 06:49 PM

Thanks!!

What's your thoughts on doseage and time frame for PCT ?

**SoulCard** · 01-15-2006, 07:10 PM

test=500/week total
novla=20mg/day if needed
pct...start time is dependent upon the type of test used...check out the pct forum for specifics on the diff compounds, etc...

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-15-2006, 08:18 PM

I'm going to go with Enanthate over Cyp ... so when should I start PCT? Also I just saw a cycle that included a week of Propionate ed after the Enanthate at a low dose to help balance your levels. Any thoughts ?

**goalseeker** · 01-15-2006, 08:18 PM

yes you can shoot them both...... deca with enanth or cyp is a great bulker. Havent done prop with deca, but I would imagine it is about the same....

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-16-2006, 11:42 AM

I can combine them and shoot both at the same time that is what you're saying - right? Also, and thoughts on how to fight off the bacne ?

**cfiler** · 01-16-2006, 12:36 PM

Go with any. Prop is more injects. Cyp or eth are VERY similar, so I would just go with which ever is easier to get or cheaper.

**oswaldosalcedo** · 01-16-2006, 12:50 PM

Enanthate !

**oswaldosalcedo** · 01-16-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by j martini

Enathate for me, given that it is probably a bulking cycle because your using deca, and also the long half lifes of deca and enanthate suit so you can inject both twice a week as oppoed to prop ED.

good wisdom.....................................

**H-O-V-A** · 01-16-2006, 01:00 PM

enanthate !!!!

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-17-2006, 09:09 AM

Order is in ... I'm going with Enanthate . When should I start my PCT and for what duration and dosage ? Any other suggestions for this cycle ?

**1buffsob** · 01-17-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Boss-on-the-Sauce

Order is in ... I'm going with Enanthate. When should I start my PCT and for what duration and dosage ? Any other suggestions for this cycle ?

PCT should start 14 days after last Test E shot.
20mg nolva ed
100mg clomid ed

Some like to do their first day of PCT with a frontload of 300mg of clomid then continue with 100mg ed for the remainder of the PCT. A rule of thumb is 3 weeks for PCT, but if by the second week you start to wake up with hard ons, then you could discontinue.

Good luck

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-17-2006, 01:57 PM

Thanks!! I will post my results once I start this cycle.

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-17-2006, 02:07 PM

Any thoughts on doing Proionate ed at like 50mg for the week after the Enanthate to help balance levels ??

**1buffsob** · 01-17-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boss-on-the-Sauce

Any thoughts on doing Proionate ed at like 50mg for the week after the Enanthate to help balance levels ??

That is a good idea. IMO, It makes it easier to keep gains if you use a short ester following a long one like enanthate to bridge the gap to PCT. But if you do it you should go two weeks and start the pct i have earlier outlined 3 days after last prop injection. Also, 50mg ed is on the low side. I would bump it up to 75mg or 100mg ed. Just my opinion though. Best of luck to you.

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-17-2006, 02:48 PM

Thanks again!! You guys think it's possible that I keep 15lbs of gains from this cycle ?

**goalseeker** · 01-17-2006, 10:51 PM

have you ever shot prop before?
PROP=YEEOOWWW!!!

**1buffsob** · 01-17-2006, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boss-on-the-Sauce

Thanks again!! You guys think it's possible that I keep 15lbs of gains from this cycle ?

It is certainly possible. But I strongly believe that bodybuilding all boils down to diet. Your diet needs to be dead on along with training, sleep, and the right kind of cycle.

**goalseeker** · 01-17-2006, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

It is certainly possible. But I strongly believe that bodybuilding all boils down to diet. Your diet needs to be dead on along with training, sleep, and the right kind of cycle.

no question about it...

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-18-2006, 12:11 PM

I worked out my diet to be about 420 grams of protein, 250 Carbs, and 83 grams of fat - Roughly 3500 calories.

I take it that the prop isn't going to tickle ...

**1buffsob** · 01-18-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Boss-on-the-Sauce

I worked out my diet to be about 420 grams of protein, 250 Carbs, and 83 grams of fat - Roughly 3500 calories.

I take it that the prop isn't going to tickle ...

I'll let you know about the prop. I'm starting next week hopefully and it will be my first experience with it personally. As for the diet, bump those carbs up. You need 2g protein for every lb of lean body mass so you could afford to drop the protein a little. My guess is you have a lot of shakes since calories are still pretty low. Also go higher in kcals. You'll see a big difference with an extra 500 cals a day. Post your whole diet if you have it.

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-19-2006, 01:38 PM

This is the diet I've been working on..... I'm open to suggestions!

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat

That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

**1buffsob** · 01-19-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boss-on-the-Sauce

This is the diet I've been working on..... I'm open to suggestions!

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat

That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

I like it a lot. Very well thought out. You could make meal 4 a pro/carb meal though since it is your meal prior to workout. Might give you a little more calories and some extra energy. Just a thought. Any way, very nice lean bulker.

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-19-2006, 02:08 PM

Thanks - Buffsob... I hope to start my cycle in about a month - let me know how that Prop works out! I got bacne when I came off my last cycle - anything that I can do to help fight this ?

**SS1476** · 01-19-2006, 02:40 PM

Good thread, just wanna say good luck.

**1buffsob** · 01-19-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Boss-on-the-Sauce

Thanks - Buffsob... I hope to start my cycle in about a month - let me know how that Prop works out! I got bacne when I came off my last cycle - anything that I can do to help fight this ?

Dawn, or a generic dishwashing soap works well. Also tanning would help dry the skin a bit.
What brands are you going with anyway for your cycle?

**SS1476** · 01-19-2006, 03:16 PM

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...t=frontloading

This might help also..

**Boss-on-the-Sauce** · 01-19-2006, 03:52 PM

Thanks Bro - Lots of good advice on that thread! Have you tried any of the suggestions on there ?

**SS1476** · 01-19-2006, 05:43 PM

Not yet, but I know for next time.I had
a small outbreak after my cycle. I wont
have that issue next time around.

**LatinoPR** · 01-19-2006, 06:11 PM

I order my nex cycle,Eq 600mg/week, T.Enant 750/week, Anadrol 50mg/day for 1 to 4 week.This is the first time that i run T.Enant. well see ill let oyu know...!