Just wanted to say hi with a question

**halfmanhalfamazing21** · 02-14-2006, 04:08 AM

Hey i signed up probaly about a hour ago but have been checking this site out for research and opinions since October of 2005 and its been great! Well with that being said i had a couple of questions. Number 1 being is has anybody tookin Test E without Nova? I started up 250mgs a week from mid november to end of december with pretty good results. I didnt take any nova with it just test e with winny. I have a buddy whos a biochemist who told me while stacking those 2 the winny would act as a estrogen blocker. (thats not why i stacked with winny i didnt find this out till later) Anyway as far as that stack i had a real bad acne break out but thats about it. I put on 24lbs and after all said and done i kept about 10-11lbs. The only other side effect i found i had was my heart felt like it was pounding out of my chest at times lol. Im just curious if anyone else did Test E alone or stacked it with winny and if so how was your side effects and or gains? Hope to hear back i have a few more questions but ill wait till another time. Have a good one and Go Canada Go!

**sbeast007** · 02-14-2006, 05:07 AM

my friend did test without any nolva and now he has gyno

**velvetlion** · 02-14-2006, 05:24 AM

Everybody is different when it comes to gyno. My first cycle I never used nolva until PCT and I never experienced any symptoms. The cycle was a test e only cycle and only at 500/week but I still was fine. Winny shouldn't aromatize, but it is not an estrogen blocker by any means. My belief is that nolva needn't be taken during a cycle unless you are susceptible to gyno. If you feel tender then start taking nolva. I always keep it on hand just in case but have never had to use it during a cycle.

**halfmanhalfamazing21** · 02-14-2006, 02:46 PM

Yea i havent noticed any symptoms yet. My chest is still hard and not titties lol. My balls are in tact still as well. Like i said only side effect i had was acne but it was real bad. Like very bad i cant stress that enough lol. It did go away eventually with using Acne 5 on my face and Phisoderm on my back and shoulders.

**SpiderRico** · 02-14-2006, 03:07 PM

if you have been researching this site for as long as you have said you would have no need to ask a question like that

**Got Insulin?** · 02-14-2006, 03:13 PM

just wanted to say hi lol ... please

**Njectable** · 02-14-2006, 03:13 PM

If your gonna run a cycle then do it right!! Why try and cut corners and risk your health and appearance, its not as if nolva is expensive or hard to get. You shouldn't even have to think about this or ask if other people have done it, just get nolva and take it throughout your cycle its not hard to grasp.

**Njectable** · 02-14-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

just wanted to say hi lol ... please

lmao

**kirk3624** · 02-14-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by motoxer23

If your gonna run a cycle then do it right!! Why try and cut corners and risk your health and appearance, its not as if nolva is expensive or hard to get. You shouldn't even have to think about this or ask if other people have done it, just get nolva and take it throughout your cycle its not hard to grasp.

now that is good advice.

**halfmanhalfamazing21** · 02-15-2006, 12:26 AM

All valid points thanks for the advice. As for one of your guys comments about nolva being easy to get. Maybe you should speak for yourself and not me. Yes i couldve got nolva but most cases using 250mg doesnt usually have hard side effects. Some yes. Most no. I took a risk it payed off. Just curious if it did for anyone else. As for it being cheap? Once again speak for yourself. It maybe nice you have have that luxory maybe others arent so fortunate but nevertheless i agree if you are going to do a cycle do it right. I cut the corner and i got by and my wallet is fine as well. Just looking to hear opinions. I got mine. Canada to win gold in hockey!

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 12:31 AM

its not a good idea to be careless with sh_t like that bro. youl really be kicking yourself if you do get gyno. so you were lucky this time, but for your own sake, dont chance it anymore

**usamm** · 02-15-2006, 12:39 AM

1) The author of this thread is dumb. Says he researched shit and didnt even do shit right.

2) Authors friend, the "Biochemist", is dumb.

nuff said

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 12:41 AM

taking test without an anti e is..... for lack of a better description, FU_KING DUMB

**usamm** · 02-15-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

taking test without an anti e is..... for lack of a better description, FU_KING DUMB

**omnipotent** · 02-15-2006, 12:59 AM

i duno i did a sust and test e cycle and i didnt use nolvadex .. i didnt get any gyno at all .

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by omnipotent

i duno i did a sust and test e cycle and i didnt use nolvadex .. i didnt get any gyno at all .

you're lucky

**usamm** · 02-15-2006, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by omnipotent

i duno i did a sust and test e cycle and i didnt use nolvadex .. i didnt get any gyno at all .

this is a dumb strategy to take though. this is like people saying, well cigarettes dont cause lung cancer! My grandfather smoked them his whole life and died in his sleep. Now, take a step back and look at all the people for which that DOESNT work.

**omnipotent** · 02-15-2006, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by usamm

this is a dumb strategy to take though. this is like people saying, well cigarettes dont cause lung cancer! My grandfather smoked them his whole life and died in his sleep. Now, take a step back and look at all the people for which that DOESNT work.

well i guess everyone is diff some are lucky some aint .

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by usamm

this is a dumb strategy to take though. this is like people saying, well cigarettes dont cause lung cancer! My grandfather smoked them his whole life and died in his sleep. Now, take a step back and look at all the people for which that DOESNT work.

exactly. we take steroids to look good, but if you get gyno, it doesn't matter how roided out you are, people will only see your bitch tits

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 01:05 AM

its way better to spend 100 dollars on anti es, than to spend 3000 dollars on gyno removal surgery

**SpiderRico** · 02-15-2006, 01:12 AM

bro its like playing russian rullette ... you may win some but you will also lose some and the loses are the worse you can acheive.. i dont care about your wallet or any gay stuff like that be smart and if you paid any attention you would know to use anti e's and oh ya hockey sucks

**Geodogg** · 02-15-2006, 01:48 AM

I always wandered why in the hell would someone risk it by not taking anti-e's. and not being able to afford it is not an excuse. if you can buy the juice, you can buy anti-e.

**halfmanhalfamazing21** · 02-15-2006, 01:41 PM

Yea well...as far as me being dumb im cool with that cause at least i still look good lol. My friend the biochemist tho i must stick up for hes been a great friend to me for years and i mean lets be honest even if he is dumb . Hes still has his masters in Biochem and makes more a year then probaly most people out there and knows how to make "gear" better then many of us on this site. I said many im sure theres a few out there who can produce good if not better then him. Overall thanks for the opinions tho guys its good to get insight from different people. Wich is mainly why i joined this form. Ciao

**omnipotent** · 02-15-2006, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by halfmanhalfamazing21

Yea well...as far as me being dumb im cool with that cause at least i still look good lol. My friend the biochemist tho i must stick up for hes been a great friend to me for years and i mean lets be honest even if he is dumb . Hes still has his masters in Biochem and makes more a year then probaly most people out there and knows how to make "gear" better then many of us on this site. I said many im sure theres a few out there who can produce good if not better then him. Overall thanks for the opinions tho guys its good to get insight from different people. Wich is mainly why i joined this form. Ciao

he produces better gear then anyone on this site ? .. is that a fact ? ?

***Alex*** · 02-15-2006, 07:34 PM

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

**halfmanhalfamazing21** · 02-15-2006, 08:13 PM

I thought i said many people in here. Then stated many meaning theres is some that probaly make it better. I thought i broke it down good enough clearly i was wrong.

**Njectable** · 02-15-2006, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

its way better to spend 100 dollars on anti es, than to spend 3000 dollars on gyno removal surgery

couldn't of said it better myself.

When you get gyno don't say we didn't warn you. Having money to buy
anti-e's isn't a "luxury" as you put it. The fact is if you can't afford anti-E's then you shouldn't be able to afford your gear and you should start saving your money for bills and gorceries and not cycling at all. You really need to have some more respect for your body and health i think. Once you lose your health its not always so easy to get it back from careless mistakes and arrogance like this.

**Tren Bull** · 02-15-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by halfmanhalfamazing21

Yea well...as far as me being dumb im cool with that cause at least i still look good lol. My friend the biochemist tho i must stick up for hes been a great friend to me for years and i mean lets be honest even if he is dumb . Hes still has his masters in Biochem and makes more a year then probaly most people out there and knows how to make "gear" better then many of us on this site. I said many im sure theres a few out there who can produce good if not better then him. Overall thanks for the opinions tho guys its good to get insight from different people. Wich is mainly why i joined this form. Ciao

no one is calling you dumb, but it is dumb to take risks like that.