Long and short esters

[rockdog]

When I asked the doc about long and short esters he said it basically comes down to how often you want to inject. I didn't want to get into a whole lot of detail with him. Why do we get more bloating with the longer esters? If you don't have a problem with injections why ever use a long ester? The doc said which I new, the ester just determines how quickly your body absorbs the hormone, also the long esters take up more room in the mix, so you actually are getting less hormone per ml. Yet it seems we get different results from the different esters them selves. I know water retention can be good to help with joints, tendons and the uptake of protein, but are the end results ultimately the same. It seems that there are less sides with the short esters.

The pro's and con's of long or short what's your take on it

[rockdog]

There are many different esters that are used with anabolic /androgenic steroids , but again, they all do basically the same thing. Esters vary only in their ability to reduce a steroid 's water solubility. An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be weeks with a decanoate ester.

Esters have no effect on the tendency for the parent steroid to convert to estrogen or DHT (dihydrotestosterone: a more potent metabolite) nor will it effect the overall muscle-building potency of the compound.

Any differences in results and side effects that may be noted by athletes who have used various esterified versions of the same base steroid are just issues of timing.

Testosterone enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon , simply because with enanthate testosterone levels will peak and through much sooner (1-2 week release duration as opposed to 3 or 4). Likewise testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug. Instead of waiting weeks for testosterone levels to rise to their highest point, here we are at most looking at a couple of days. Given an equal blood level of testosterone, there would be no difference in the rate of aromatization or DHT conversion between different esters. There is simply no mechanism for this to be possible.

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency: it is calculated in the steroid weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified steroid (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than cypionate or enanthate. So I think if your fine with injections you will have more control and faster gains with short esters. No time waiting for levels to rise and more hormone per mg. Is it all just newbees here today? what do you guys think?

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[topvega]

Didn't u answer your own question in your 2nd post.........