Tren acetet + Tren hhbc

[Pensilneck]

Hi bros.
I`m now running cycle whitch contains test enanthate , deca , winny and tren acetat.
I hit test enanthate 250mg/eod, deca 550mg/wk, winny 50mg/eod and tren acetat 75mg/eod.

I have plenty of Tren hhbc and I wondering that maybe I make blend what contais 75mg tren acetat and 30mg tren hhbc and hit that blend eod. Tren intake gonna be ~350mg/wk (250mg acetat + 100mg hhbc) Does that sounds crazy?

I`m gonna take Tren 6-9weeks...

[Pensilneck]

Anybody ??

[ivrig]

this is your cycle nr?

[Pensilneck]

this is your cycle nr?

5th cycle

[ivrig]

Then double the testo to 500mg wk, and maybe not that much deca . But you need more testo than deca! if you haven`t taken tren before, i would wait (personally at the same spot here) and just take the acetate 75-100 EOD

The winny i wouldn`t stay on for more than a few weeks, i LOVE winny, but it seriously kills your kolesterol levels! Check this with a doctor under way! So you know your good/bad kolesterol ratio! Many don`t know this , but take it seriously!

[Pensilneck]

Then double the testo to 500mg wk

LOL bro, read again my first post and you will see that I take testo 250mg/eod, my kolestrols are superb Really.....I`m gonna run winny 6 or 9weeks........

[ivrig]

ok, sorry, scandinavian eyes =)

But i promise you, 9 weeks on winny and your good kolesterol will diminish, and your bad kolesterol florish!!



InnleggSkrevet: Tir Nov 15, 2005 9:51 pm Tittel: Svar med Sitat
Scientific studies show:

well instead of 50mg winny ED, let`s try with a dose as low as 6 mg ED- yes- 6 mgram ED, for 2 - TWO weeks


Metabolism. 1997 Sep;46(9):992-6.

Effects of short-term stanozolol administration on serum lipoproteins in hepatic lipase deficiency.

Bausserman LL, Saritelli AL, Herbert PN.

Lipid Research Laboratory, Miriam Hospital, Brown University Medical School, Providence, RI, USA.

We have identified a kindred in Providence, RI, deficient in hepatic triglyceride lipase (HL). The two affected brothers have coronary heart disease and elevated levels of triglycerides, total cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, and apolipoprotein [apo] A-I. The lipoprotein lipase (LPL) activity is normal. We and others have postulated that the effects of oral anabolic steroids on HDL metabolism are mediated by HL. To test this hypothesis, we treated these two men and two controls with the oral androgen stanozolol (6 mg/d) for 2 weeks. Consistent with other reports, HL activity increased a mean of 277% in controls with a concomitant decrease in HDL cholesterol (49%), HDL2 cholesterol (90%), HDL3 cholesterol (16%), and apo A-I (41%) and no change in apo A-II. Although stanozolol failed to induce HL activity in the HL-deficient man, HDL cholesterol, HDL2 cholesterol, and apo A-I were reduced a mean of 20%, 48%, and 32%, respectively. In contrast to controls, HDL3 cholesterol (46%) and apo A-II (14%) increased in HL-deficient subjects. Stanozolol treatment also increased LPL activity (124% +/- 86%, n = 4) and decreased lipoprotein(a) ([Lp(a)] 66% +/- 3%, n = 3) in the three men with detectable levels. The data indicate that in addition to stimulation of HL activity, stanozolol treatment changes HDL cholesterol concentration and subfraction distribution by other mechanisms.


And this is compared to testosteron, the figures speak for them selves

JAMA. 1989 Feb 24;261(Cool:1165-8.

Contrasting effects of testosterone and stanozolol on serum lipoprotein levels.

Thompson PD, Cullinane EM, Sady SP, Chenevert C, Saritelli AL, Sady MA, Herbert PN.

Department of Medicine, Miriam Hospital, Providence, RI 02906.

Oral anabolic steroids produce striking reductions in serum concentrations of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. We hypothesized that this effect related to their route of administration and was unrelated to their androgenic potency. We administered oral stanozolol (6 mg/d) or supraphysiological doses of intramuscular testosterone enanthate (200 mg/wk) to 11 male weight lifters for six weeks in a crossover design. Stanozolol reduced HDL-cholesterol and the HDL2 subfraction by 33% and 71%, respectively. In contrast, testosterone decreased HDL-cholesterol concentration by only 9% and the decrease was in the HDL3 subfraction. Apolipoprotein A-I level decreased 40% during stanozolol but only 8% during testosterone treatment. The low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentration increased 29% with stanozolol and decreased 16% with testosterone treatment. Stanozolol, moreover, increased postheparin hepatic triglyceride lipase activity by 123%, whereas the maximum change during testosterone therapy (+25%) was not significant. Weight gain was similar with both drugs, but testosterone was more effective in suppressing gonadotropic hormones. We conclude that the undesirable lipoprotein effects of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids given orally are different from those of parenteral testosterone and that the latter may be preferable in many clinical situations.

PMID: 2915439 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Pensilneck]

ok, sorry, scandinavian eyes =)

But i promise you, 9 weeks on winny and your good kolesterol will diminish, and your bad kolesterol florish!!

Thanks for info bro, sad Winny is great and I know its bad for kolestrols...So then I maybe take it only 6weeks with tren .

[ivrig]

yeah, take policosanol for your kolesterol, it is great! Check with your doctor too, better safe than sorry.

Yeah a shame, winny is really great, taking it sonn myself, but only three weeks, better than nothing though...

[ivrig]

But with a doctor and good results to begin with, a month should be fine. But dont recommend this every year, of all the steroids , winny can be one to rip years of your life!

Be safe!

[Pensilneck]

I really like Tren , first time now and only one week behind Tren acetat 75mg/eod and I can see results. I`m gonna run Tren together with Winny 50mg/eod 6weeks. Whats your opinion about mix those trens together? Way that eod shot includes 75mg of acetat and maybe 30mg of hhbc? Is that wise or not?

[Pensilneck]

Would someone give opinions about that blend? 75mg tren acetat + 30-50mg tren hhbc and hit that blend eod 6 weeks or maybe longer? Wise or not? If it`s good idea I started tomorrow hit tren hhbc too I have one week behind of tren acetat 75mg/eod..

Thanks

[ivrig]

well whats the use? Its the same drug only acetate is quicker. I would rund acetate a little longer to see how u react. Some really respond badly to this, and if you are one you can jump right off, and the acetate will be out of your system in a couple of days.
With hexa it stays for weeks, and bi`s will continue just as long.
Have you already bought them? acetate is good enough bro, but hexa is maybe better if you know you handle the stuff good, and want to cut down on the injection! hexa is every 3 day

[Pensilneck]

well whats the use? Its the same drug only acetate is quicker. I would rund acetate a little longer to see how u react. Some really respond badly to this, and if you are one you can jump right off, and the acetate will be out of your system in a couple of days.
With hexa it stays for weeks, and bi`s will continue just as long.
Have you already bought them? acetate is good enough bro, but hexa is maybe better if you know you handle the stuff good, and want to cut down on the injection! hexa is every 3 day

I have plenty of Tren hhbc, but only 20ml of tren acetat (75mg/ml). I don`t usually cause any sides, thats why I believe I can handle that hhbc too. I know that hhbc have to inject only every 3 days, but to keep levels stable I`m planning to hit it eod with acetat.

I show my cycle here.
1-3 test prop 100mg/ed
1-12 test ena 250mg/eod
1-12 deca 550mg/wk
1-6 Dbol 50mg/ed
7-12 winny 50mg/eod
7-12 tren acetat 75mg/eod
13-15 test prop 120mg/ed

I`m now on end of week 7. So I planning to take that tren acetat + hhbc kombo at weeks 8-12. Last three weeks only test prop, deca and tren hhbc still be effective as far as I hit last prop. Three days after last prop shot I start PCT....

I need someone to bless my idea because soon I`m gonna hit tren Acetat + hhbc or only acetat.....

[ivrig]

Take hexa one day before you take you last shot of acetate, then it will be active by the time acetate is over! do not see the point in doing them at the SAME time! it`s the same stuff, only different time-related esters, so insted of taking both, just up the dosage of acetate till your empty. Alltough i wouldn`t. Just take it as i wrote first here.

That`s a mighty fine lookin` cycle (though many don`t believe in taking deca with tren , since they have many of the same qualities and neg`s. But i think deca is good in almost any cycle, cause i`m careful with my joints. This is as with all roids, individualy!

Gotta let us know some stats!

[Pensilneck]

Take hexa one day before you take you last shot of acetate, then it will be active by the time acetate is over! do not see the point in doing them at the SAME time! it`s the same stuff, only different time-related esters, so insted of taking both, just up the dosage of acetate till your empty. Alltough i wouldn`t. Just take it as i wrote first here.

That`s a mighty fine lookin` cycle (though many don`t believe in taking deca with tren , since they have many of the same qualities and neg`s. But i think deca is good in almost any cycle, cause i`m careful with my joints. This is as with all roids, individualy!

Gotta let us know some stats!

I would like to up acetat dosage, but there are only one big problem I dont`t have acetat more, only plenty of hhbc

You wan`t to hear my stat, here you have bro:
age 28, height 5`12", weight 240 with abot 10% fat

[ivrig]

Then you are in a good shape =)


well then start on the hexa then, important to shot it one day before your last acetate shot. You can up the dosage then if you like. It will probably be better since you won`t have to poke holes in your bum as often (and that is always good =)

[Pensilneck]

Then you are in a good shape =)


well then start on the hexa then, important to shot it one day before your last acetate shot. You can up the dosage then if you like. It will probably be better since you won`t have to poke holes in your bum as often (and that is always good =)

Thanks bro
Lets define this littlebit, because
I don´t understand correctly what you mean

1-3 test prop 100mg/ed
1-12 test ena 250mg/eod
1-12 deca 550mg/wk
1-6 Dbol 50mg/ed
7-12 winny 50mg/eod
7-12 tren acetat 75mg/eod
8-12 or longer?? tren hhbc 50mg/eod (eod because its easy to put IT in same syringe with acetat, 75mg acetat + 50mg hhbc)
13-15 test prop 120mg/ed

Like I told I`m now on end of week 7, I add hexa with in at start of week 8.

[ivrig]

OK

I would not start on hexa until you are empty on acetate!! It is the same stuff, so why taking it together? That`s just upping the dose with esters that release in different time-loops.

When you have only 75 mg acetate left, i would shoot the wanted amount of hexa ONE DAY BEFORE you shoot the LAST acetate, see? =)
And then continue the amount of hexa every 3 days

[Pensilneck]

OK

I would not start on hexa until you are empty on acetate!! It is the same stuff, so why taking it together? That`s just upping the dose with esters that release in different time-loops.

When you have only 75 mg acetate left, i would shoot the wanted amount of hexa ONE DAY BEFORE you shoot the LAST acetate, see? =)
And then continue the amount of hexa every 3 days

Well, now I understand
"It is the same stuff, so why taking it together?" Because I like to up tren dosage immediately and my acetat not gonna last long Other idea is that I up the acetat dosage immediatly and start to hit acetat 52,5mg/ED (0,7ml, acetat is 75mg/ml) and when acetat is over I start to hit hexa (start It one day before last acetat shot). Then I`m gonna hit hexa allway to end of week 13. Then two weeks of test prop, three days after last prop shot start PCT

Are we speaking same language now bro ?

[ivrig]

Now you got it! =)

That cycle sure will do some good!

Hope you take alot of Milk Thistle,C-vits,fish-oil/omega-3, evening primrose,policosanol and green tea!

[Pensilneck]

Now you got it! =)

That cycle sure will do some good!

Hope you take alot of Milk Thistle,C-vits,fish-oil/omega-3, evening primrose,policosanol and green tea!

I really wait alott of this cycle, its already cause luxurious results, but appetite grow when you eat
My goal are in national competition at august 2007. I have planned to compete at 2006, but situation what I have right now does not loud it. This year I`m not abble to run diet like it should be so better to wait at 2007 and build maximum amount of muscle

I have alot of Milk Thistle,C-vits,fish-oil/omega-3 and green tea, but those evening primrose and policosanol are totally weird to me Can you tell me more about those? Thanks bro for your time

[ivrig]

Yeah, that`s smart. Cutler did the same thing to prepare himself to Mr.O 05,cutting for contests all the time will not help you gain mass.evening primrose protects the liver and helps on burning fat!
policosanol helps the kolesterol, it is great! and you need it on that cycle!!
And start the day by cooking up oat meal, have read that it releases the only natural growth hormone , but you have to cook it. BUT don`t know if that`s a fact, but it is still great!

Of course man, NP
=)