Masteron at end of cylce?

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 03:49 PM

My goal is to keep about 10-15 lbs of lean hard mass on this cycle. I don’t want to blow up too big but I want to put on a little more mass, but lean mass. I am 6’2” 212 about 9% body fat and have cycles with Test, Deca , Tren , d bol, etc. My goal is somewhere around 225. This is what I am looking to do and any advice on it would be nice.

Wk 1-13 Test E or Cyp at 500-750 mgs/week
Wk 1-12 Equipoise at 400 mgs/week
Wk 6 or 8-13 Masteron at 400 mgs/week

I think adding the Masteron at the end will help to harden me up and cut me up a little. But I have been reading about the sides and was wondering if it was even necessary. Does anyone have any ideas on something else I could add? Is Mast worth it at the end of cycle like this? Thanks a lot.

**stocky121** · 03-10-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

My goal is to keep about 10-15 lbs of lean hard mass on this cycle. I don’t want to blow up too big but I want to put on a little more mass, but lean mass. I am 6’2” 212 about 9% body fat and have cycles with Test, Deca , Tren , d bol, etc. My goal is somewhere around 225. This is what I am looking to do and any advice on it would be nice.

Wk 1-13 Test E or Cyp at 500-750 mgs/week
Wk 1-12 Equipoise at 400 mgs/week
Wk 6 or 8-13 Masteron at 400 mgs/week

I think adding the Masteron at the end will help to harden me up and cut me up a little. But I have been reading about the sides and was wondering if it was even necessary. Does anyone have any ideas on something else I could add? Is Mast worth it at the end of cycle like this? Thanks a lot.

IMO winny would be a better choice at the end of the cycle with BF at 9%

i used it at 8% and think i was to high to see the full effect's of masteron don't get me wrong it did work well but not as good if my BF was lower

***JohnnyB*** · 03-10-2006, 03:56 PM

Use the masteron and add some prop with it after the last test e shot, the start PCT 3 days after last prop/masteron injection. I'd add HCG to the cycle starting from day one at 300-500iu every 3-5 days

JohnnyB

**Swifto** · 03-10-2006, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by stocky121

IMO winny would be a better choice at the end of the cycle with BF at 9%

i used it at 8% and think i was to high to see the full effect's of masteron don't get me wrong it did work well but not as good if my BF was lower

Whats your cycle history? Age? Training experience?

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 04:03 PM

How long should I run the prop for and at what mgs/week? Swito I train 6 days a week hard, several cycles under my belt. Just trying to get a great cylce for my next one, a graduation present to myself, haha.

**Pinnacle** · 03-10-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

I think adding the Masteron at the end will help to harden me up and cut me up a little. .

Either masteron or winny would suffice.........at the BF(9%) your are predicting at cycles end.I'd probably go with winny at a higher dose(than the normal 50 mgs).

~Pinnacle~

**Swifto** · 03-10-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

How long should I run the prop for and at what mgs/week? Swito I train 6 days a week hard, several cycles under my belt. Just trying to get a great cylce for my next one, a graduation present to myself, haha.

Your cycle history doesnt mean, "several cycles under my belt". Please list the compounds/dosages/durations then we can provide a cycle to fit your goals/needs and one individually tailored considering your experience.

**Swifto** · 03-10-2006, 04:12 PM

Aahh f*ck it. Forget your cycle experience.

Run a cycle with Test/EQ and end it with Test Prop and Winstrol IMHO. Like above, leave out the Masteron until your bodyfat is below 8ish %. Something like.

wk 1-14 Test Enan/Cyp 500mg/wk
wk 1-13 EQ 400mg/wk
wk 10-16 Test Prop 75mg/ED
wk 10-16 Winny 50mg/ED

PCT begins 14 days after last Enan shot, 16-18 days after last Cyp shot, 21 days after last EQ shot and 3 days after last Test Prop shot. 24hrs after last Winstrol shot.

**Pinnacle** · 03-10-2006, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

wk 1-14 Test Enan/Cyp 500mg/wk
wk 1-13 EQ 400mg/wk
wk 10-16 Test Prop 75mg/ED
wk 10-16 Winny 50mg/ED

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I see no need for prop at wk 10...nor do I see the need to extend the cycle further than he already posted above...winny at 50 mgs ED isn't shit either... not a good cycle at all.........

**Booz** · 03-10-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Whats your cycle history? Age? Training experience?

what are your stats mate??
age
height
weight
bf
training exp?
cycle exp?
if you give us these it would be easier to help you mate........

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 04:18 PM

What do you mean start pct after the test and then another pct after the prop? Is that what you mean? Do two pcts or wait till after the prop? Also do you think adding some HCG for pct would be good and at what ICU's? Also not sure if I can ask it but if not please just don't respond. Can you get HCG at like somewhere like lion nutrition or do you have to get it else where? Thanks.

**Pinnacle** · 03-10-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by booz

what are your stats mate??
age
height
weight
bf
training exp?
cycle exp?
if you give us these it would be easier to help you mate........

Am I the only one seeing his stats and shit in his first post?

**Booz** · 03-10-2006, 04:20 PM

not often you will get 3 of the boards finest in any one post,think yourself one of the lucky ones.......jay,johnny and pinn.....

**Swifto** · 03-10-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I see no need for prop at wk 10...nor do I see the need to extend the cycle further than he already posted above...winny at 50 mgs ED isn't shit either... not a good cycle at all.........

Test Prop is used to harden any gains made, using it in conjuction with the Winstrol . If he hasnt done Winstrol before, which I dont think he has, I think 50m/ED is a good starting dose. I havent seen anyone start on a bigger dose? If the EQ takes a long time to kick in, which it does, why not extend it slightly and gain the full effects of its long acting ester?

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 04:21 PM

Pinnicle, you think running Winny at 100mgs/EOD would be good and then how long you think, like weeks 8-13 or should I shorten it up? Thanks again.

**Booz** · 03-10-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Am I the only one seeing his stats and shit in his first post?

lol my bad!!mr angry head on today mate.......

**Pinnacle** · 03-10-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

What do you mean start pct after the test and then another pct after the prop? Is that what you mean? Do two pcts or wait till after the prop? Also do you think adding some HCG for pct would be good and at what ICU's? Also not sure if I can ask it but if not please just don't respond. Can you get HCG at like somewhere like lion nutrition or do you have to get it else where? Thanks.

look bro..you have ppl suggesting more drugs than you need.Stick with the cycle you posted above...you don't need prop nor HCG ...it has only been opinions of others.

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 04:23 PM

My bad forgot ran winny at 50mg/week for 8 weeks with Tren last year. With the 100mgs I would run injectbale winny, when i ran it before it was tabs.

**Pinnacle** · 03-10-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

Pinnicle, you think running Winny at 100mgs/EOD would be good and then how long you think, like weeks 8-13 or should I shorten it up? Thanks again.

I like the cycle you posted above,just switch out the masteron for winny at 75 mgs Ed and you are good to go.No need to extend the cycle or add drugs you don't need.

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 04:26 PM

Hey thanks a ton pinnicle. You think just running Clomi/Tomxi pct is ok, no need for HCG ? Thanks again man, really appreciate it.

***SPIKE*** · 03-10-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by booz

.......jay,johnny and pinn.....

Who do I have something in common with on this thread Boozie? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

**Pinnacle** · 03-10-2006, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

Hey thanks a ton pinnicle. You think just running Clomi/Tomxi pct is ok, no need for HCG? Thanks again man, really appreciate it.

Clomid/Nolv is a proven at PCT....

***SPIKE*** · 03-10-2006, 04:30 PM

A lot of talk about Prop here, if I were to add to this I would run it like this:

wk 1-4 Prop 50mgs ED or 100mgs EOD
Wk 1-13 Test E 500-750 mgs/week
Wk 1-12 EQ 400-600 mgs/week
Wk 10-15 75mgs Winny ED

PCT will start the day after your last Winny Inject/Oral.

You seem to have ran a few things so I left the range for you to decide on with the Test and EQ. I dont know what doses you are used to thats why I did that.

Since you didnt mention any talk about an oral I put the Prop up front to get the ball rolling a bit sooner. As some know, it can take several weeks until you feel anything. Might as well start feeling it within 2 weeks rather then 5-7.

**adallas1** · 03-10-2006, 04:40 PM

I run dbol adrol at the beginning for 4 weeks I just didn't mention that because I didn’t think it was relevant to the cycle my bad. You think prop is better than the two dbol or rol. Thanks man

***SPIKE*** · 03-10-2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by adallas1

I run dbol adrol at the beginning for 4 weeks I just didn't mention that because I didn’t think it was relevant to the cycle my bad. You think prop is better than the two dbol or rol. Thanks man

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh next time really list all of this, will only make it easier to decide what to do.

Which are you running? D-bol or Drol?

wk 1-4 ? Drol/Dbol
Wk 1-13 Test E 500-750 mgs/week
Wk 1-12 EQ 400-600 mgs/week
Wk 10-15 75mgs Winny ED

PCT will start the day after your last Winny Inject/Oral.