Anabolic Phases Explained.

[The Iron Man]

ANABOLIC PHASES EXPLAINED



I see a whole lot of confusion on the boards about how to run AAS cycles. It seems theres a new book written every month. Many are making it out to be much more complicated than it really is and this should not be.


To start out with each individual has a different amount of AAS receptor sites. In additon everyone reacts differently to drugs and what works for your buddy may not necessarily work for you. I know some who swear by Tren while others gain more from Deca or Winstrol . I've witnessed men blow up on insulin type products while others gained very little. Only you can be the judge of which drugs truly works best for you and which ones do not. Once you find out which anabolics works best for your particular body, you should make use of them often.

Some guys can grow on small amounts of drugs while others must take massive amounts to obtain similar results. No one should exceed any threshold level of a drug until it fails to deliever acceptable results. As with drug selection you will have to find what dosages work for you. There are some bodybuilders who find the need to use very high dosages and suffer through side effects such as chronic fatigue, headaches, insomnia, high blood pressure, and sexual dysfunction inorder to make the same gains that others can make by using small amounts and suffering little to no side effects.

Just because Joe is making great gains on 600 mgs of test and 400 mgs of eq per week doesn't mean you can do the same regardless of how good your training program or diet may be. You might need to add deca and d-bol or tren and EQ along with the test base to get the results you are after.

( 8 WEEKS-"NEWBIE" SAMPLE CYCLE)


1st cycle: 3-400 mgs of Test Enanthate .

2nd cycle: 4-500 mgs of Test Enanthate and 3-400 mgs of Deca or EQ for (8 weeks).





NOTE:: The two most common anabolic cycles used by "non-professional" bodybuilders are:



SAMPLE CYCLE 1 (8 weeks)

D-Bol 30-50 mgs/daily
Test Enanthate 750 mgs-1 gram/weekly
Deca 400-600 mgs/weekly


SAMPLE CYCLE 2 (8 weeks)

Tren Enan 400-500 mgs/weekly or Tren Acetate 75-100 mgs eod
Test Enan 750 mgs-1 gram/weekly
EQ 600-800 mgs/weekly




NOTE: Either of these cycles should be ran for a period of 8 weeks before making the needed change. Remember the action/reaction time frames.


Anabolics do not shut down receptor sites. If receptor sites shut down after a period of time the PRO'S could not maintain their massive physiques on the high dosages they use. Their bodies would eventually shrivel up on the same amounts of Androgens being put into their body because such an enormous amount of lean mass could not be maintained on the same dosages.

AAS actually "INCREASE" the number of "androgen receptors". This explains why continually upping the dosage works better up to a point. For e.g.; 800 mgs of test each week will gives the same individual better gains in size/strength than 400 grams. The reason for this is because the left over androgens from the higher dosage will attach themselves to cortisol receptors and produce a larger "anti-catabolic" effect. The body can gain large amounts of muscle in a short period of time but the body soon catches on and reaches homeostasis, dictating a need for change once again.

High SHGB levels are one of the main culprits to be considered when AAS are no longer working in conjunction with a good diet-training program. SHBG ( Sex Hormone Binding Globlin) prevents testosterone from fitting into the receptors. (Bound testosterone) equals about 97-99% of total testosterone circulation while (free testosterone) equals about 1-3% of total test. Free testerone is able to fit into the receptor. ( Androgens "lower" SHBG while Estrogens "increase" them). Estrogens bind to the same SHGB as Androgens and by lowering SHGB levels it actually produces an elevation in bio-available estrogen. However, (estrogens will increase receptor site sensitivity for a short period of 3 weeks) and enhance the overall results obtained when using steroids through several pathways including the production of more IGF-1/GH and an increased amount of muscle glycogen synthesis.

NOTE: The primary focus should be placed on altering the ratio of bound and free testosterone by keeping SHBG low with the utilization of varied dosages, incorporating different drugs, utilizing DHT derivatives/, manipulating anti-estrogens, and discontinuing the cycle when needed.

When androgen receptors are over-loaded the greatest amount of protein synthesis will occur. Once protein synthesis occurs the need for higher dosages or different AAS will be needed because there will "now" be a larger supply of (androgen receptor sites) from the (added muscle mass) aquired through the use of steroids. The body reaches homeostasis from an increase in cortisol levels after being on AAS for a period of 8 weeks.

Contrary to popular belief, longer 12-16 weeks plus cycles are no better for retaining gains as opposed to the shorter 4-8 week Blitz cycles. Cycles ran in longer duration increase your overall net gain but they also increase your overall net loss post cycle making it harder to maintain due to a longer period of time taken off the drugs. Utilizing short 8 week cycle burst, then cruising-running smaller dosages of test enanthate for 3 weeks, then going back on full-throttle for another 6-8 weeks depending on which drug is used, will allow one to maintain most if not all of their newly found strength-size gains minus water retention duing the cruising period. This is due to the fact your never off long enough to give the muscles a chance to shrink.

NOTE: Long cycles lasting 12 weeks or more will be harder on your health, but they are truly the most productive steroid cycles you can run other than Blitzing with MEGA doages for brief periods of time. Heres a sample of what a long cycle should look like:



SAMPLE CYCLE 1: (24 weeks)

Test Enanthate 750 mgs-1 gram/weekly
EQ 600-800 mgs/weekly
Tren Acetate 75-125 mgs eod (lasting in 6 week on/ 6 week off intervals)
Anavar 40 mgs-60 mgs/daily (lasting in 6 week on/6 week off intervals)


SAMPLE CYCLE 2: (24 weeks)

Test Enanthate 750 mgs-1 gram/weekly
Deca 400-600 mgs/weekly
D-Bol 30-50 mgs (lasting in 6 week on/6 week off intervals)
Winstrol 50-75 mgs (lasting in 6 week on/6 week off intervals)




Steroids lose most of their effectiveness after about 6-8 weeks of injecting. After this time frame the only way to further gains is to up the dosage or add in other compounds with a 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off basis-(preferable dht derivative like var/winny or a 19-nor like tren/deca. These drugs will not elevate estrogen and will lower shgb/cortisol levels). D-BOL is another good choice due to it's ability to lower cortisol levels. Adding these stong anabolics during week 4 of an 8 week cycle will also bring forth some very nice gains in size/strength.


NOTE:The body begins to adapt to most attempts at changing homeostasis past the 8 week point. Thus creating an environment where anabolism and catabolism are on an even plane. This is the point where steroids resulted in the most gains. The secret is to get out all together before side effects out weighed the benefits, or increase your AAS usage to create an environment where muscles can grow once again.

Controlling estrogen levels was very important for long term health but the use of anti-estrogens can be hard on ones health as well. Proviron was a good drug because it helped control estrogens and SHGB levels. Aromasin also lowers shgb/estrogen levels but Nolvadex decreases GH/IGF-1 and is a bad choice unless you experience gyno. The benefits gained from estrogens are the exact goal of a muscle gaining phase. Estogens release GH, increase the osmotic effect allowing heavier weight loads, increase receptor site sensitivity and aid with glycogen synthesis. Estrogens should be allowed to run freely during the first (2-3) weeks of a cycle containing a generous amount of aromatizing steroids and during a transitional phase when dosages are changed every (6) weeks. Doing so creates an Action/Reaction that produces more gains in size/strength. (No "anti-estrogens" should be ran during the (2-3) week time frame). Neglecting to add anti-estrogens to a high dosed cycle made up of aromatizing steroids creates moods swings, high blood pressure, and female pattern fatty deposit. The male body was not desigend to have large amounts of estrogen running rampant for long periods of time. Anti-es do not have to be used when running low-moderate dosages of aromatizing drugs. For e.g.; 600 mgs of test and 400 mgs of Deca would require no estrogen suppressing drugs. However, anti-es are necessary when injecting large amounts of aromatizing drugs such as 1.5-2 grams of test weekly.

NOTE: (No anti-estrogens are to be used during a "TIDE CYCLE"). A "TIDE CYCLE" is made up of transitional periods where (high androgens) and (low-moderate androgens) benefit one another as they release into the blood stream at different periods. This produces a tide like effect allowing muscle building-Estrogenic Activity to occur without any over accumulation. Testosterone Cypionate and Deca have an active life of 16 days and a half life/peaking life of 8 days making them a great pair for such a regimine.


(68 DAYS-SAMPLE TIDE CYCLE)

Testosterone Cypionate 400 mgs/daily : Day#1, 8, 15, 22, 29, 36, 43, 50, 57, 64,
Deca Durabolin 300 mgs/daily: Day#4, 5, 11, 12, 18, 19, 25, 26, 32, 33, 39, 40, 46, 47, 53, 54, 60, 61, 67, 68.





PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDING CYCLES

Vast sums of bodybuilders who use the "average" steroid cycle wonder what it is that separates them from those bodybuilders who are reaching "Abnormal Size." In my experience it takes much more than, genetics, the perfect training routine or diet to brings forth these kind of gains. Professional bodybuilding is somewhat of a "Drug Contest." No one continues to build muscle mass in a linear manner because muscular weight gains does not ocur that way. Muscular growth comes in spurts. You can train hard, eat the proper nutrition and still make slow progress after the body gets use to the steroid dosages you have been taking. Luckily for those wanting to move on to the next level of develoment the body is capable of gaining muscle mass at a considerable rate. (This type of protocol is for advanced bodybuilders only). These cycles are for the purpose of achieving more permanent results through a highly potent synergistic effect. Advanced bodybuilders must saturate the androgen receptor site with high doses of drugs, eat massive amounts of calories-protein/amino acids, carbs, fats, lift heavier weights in good form, and get plenty of rest, if they want to progress to the level few seem to find.

BLITZING is a step forward to furthering ones progress when everything else is failing to produce or you just want to make faster gains. Blitzing is basically the same kind of cycling I recommended earlier with the short cycles but on a more aggresive scale.



I've witnessed bodybuilder's on a "Professional Level" gain a 1/2 lb or more per day for the first 4-8 weeks using advanced FRONT-LOADING techniques. This is the "Big Secret" the Professionals don't want you to know about. They "Blitz" with large amounts of fast acting Anabolic/Androgenic steroids, Slin or IGF Long R-3, GH, and T-3.

The cruising period is customarily equivalent to the blitzing period. They blitz for 4-8 weeks, then cruise for another 4-8 weeks, then blitzing once again, usually with a totally different arsenal of drugs. Some professional bodybuilders combine "fast" and "slow" acting esters to provide a synergistic effect in the course of a "Blitz Cycles". If side effects such as high blood pressure get out of control, they abandon the fast acting esters such as D-Bol, Drol, Suspension, or Prop. In doing so this puts them into a position of having to deal with only the longer acting esters according to when the fast acting esters leave their system.


When the "Blitz Cycle" is complete, the elite cruise with enough drugs to help maintain the mass they have achieved while allowing blood pressure to return to a normal position. Trenbolone is a commonly used drug during the cruising period due to it's amazing anti-catabolic qualities and it rarely elevates blood pressure. Some Pro's have been known to use as much as 750 mgs to 1 gram of test along with a highly anabolic steriod such as Deca, Equipoise , or Winstrol. D-Bol can be another good choice for cruising as it puts up a strong fight against post cycle cortisol levels. Smaller amounts of anabolics are needed when GH is used.


Resorting back to near HRT levels, for e.g.; 300 mgs of testosterone/weekly, will not provide "Pro Bodybuilders" with sufficient plasma levels to sustain the muscle mass they have put on during a "Blitz Cycle". With that being said, 300 mgs of test can be adequate if united with other highly anabolic steroids , PGF-2-"spot injecting lagging body parts", GH and or Slin, or stacks of GH/IGF Long R-3, etc, as the choices are endless.

NOTE: PGF-2, Insulin/ or IGF long R-3, HCG , Clomid, and Nolvadex is a common stack used by Professionals wanting to regain HPTA REGENERATION. While it's true that Nolvadex lowers IGF production during the attempt to re-capture HPTA function, less IGF-1 is needed because cell Insulin receptors site are more sensitive. This creates an existing hybrid effect between IGF-1 and Insulin and their offset receptor sites. Lean mass is well retained, along with HPTA regeneration, due to the positive effects the extra Insulin has on receptor sites.



Many opt to restore high dosages of androgens with GH, Slin, DHT derivatives. Lifters who are experiencing difficulty with high blood pressure tend to shun large doasages of "Testosterone" for extended periods. Anytime you use testosterone, it magnifies the sides of whatever else you are using with it. For e.g.; when Trenbolones are used in moderate dosages, it produces few overall side effects for many, but when test is added to the mix, blood pressure surges, night sweats appear, and mood swings are prominent. These kind of sides can be diminished in size by using small amounts of test Prop or Suspension in conjunction with IGF-Long R-3, GH, and higher dosages of DHT derivatives. Bodybuilders who do not get along well with various Testosterones, can use "Trenbolones" to produce an affirmative response, with a much lower dosage.


NOTE: Testosterones, Trenbolones, Orals, Anabolics,Insulin, PGF-2, Growth Hormones, Long R-3- Insulin-Like Growth Factors, Thyroid Hormones/T-3, Anti-Estrogens, are used in combination with one another to produce a "Massive Synergistic Effect" during "Blitz Cycles." This is how genetics are being overcome and how Professional Bodybuilders are getting so HUGE!!!!





Professional Bodybuilders retain their estrogens levels to a "minimum" during high dosed cycles. Excess estrogen develops at a rapid rate when aromatizing steroids are used with this type of regimine. With this comes great water retention, high blood pressure, mood swings, and female fatty tissue deposition. Estrogen manipulation can be of great use, but not during a high dosed "Blitz Cycle". Small amounts of T-3-(Cytomel ) can be used to help increase "thyroid function" that decreases when using Growth Hormone . T-3 can also increase apetite for the extra calories need to support growth with this monumental approach. This drug also increases the rate of nutrient absorption-metabolism so it will be available for protein synthesis and aid in keeping fatty tissue deposits down for Endomorphs during this "Extreme Bulking" up period.

When bodybuilders approach the National Level, their gains take a relatively long time no matter how hard they juice. The passage that leads advanced bodybuilders from one place to another is "Blitz Cycles." I know by personal presence many trainers spend lots of money on large quantities of steroids, only to reach a plateau they are unable to conquer. The whole quantity of Testosterones, Trenbolones, Orals, Growth Hormone, Insulin, IGF-1, will only get you to a certain point. You have to work with a mode of action that will persuade the muscle to elevate protein synthesis.

Editors Note: There have always been a certain percentage of bodybuilders who, when faced with overwhelming facts about the amount of drugs needed to become a PROFESSIONAL, who continue to believe the lie it's all "GENETICS" and "DIET" because it's a lie that makes them most comfortable. Or maybe it's because this lie justifies their own actions. Such is a destiny of a bodybuilders with the GOD given talent to make it to the Summit but refuses to learn and grow from their past experiences. Below are some cycles being used to make substantial progress given the proper diet and training program are put to service.

BLITZ CYCLES USED BY PROFEESSIONALS

(4 WEEKS-SAMPLE CYCLE 1)

Test Suspension:250-500 mgs/day
Trenbolone Acetate:100-125 mgs/day
D-Bol:50mgs/day
IGF-1 Long R3:90-120 mcgs/5 days on-2 days off
GH:9-12 ius/5 days on-2 days off
Cytomel: 25-50 mcgs-AM/2 days on-2 days off/"optional"
Creatine: Loading phase.


(8 WEEKS-SAMPLE CYCLE 2)

Test Enanthate:300-500 mgs/ed day
Deca Durabolin : 300 mgs day
D-bol:50 mgs/daily/wks (1-4) or Winstrol 100 mgs/ed day
Insulin:20-40 i.u./5 days on-2 days off
GH: 9-12 ius/5 days on-2 days off
Cytomel: 25-50 mcgs-AM/2 days on-2 days off
Creatine: Loading phase




"Legal Anabolic Cycles"

The most advantage supplement on the market for 8 week "Blast Cycles" is creatine.

Editors Note: Results from a creatine "Blast Cycles" tend to be almost as impressive as first time steroid cycles for some. Creatine is know for it's protein synthesis and cellular volumizing abitlites. Creatine begins to lose it's muscle building effect after 6-8 weeks. Legal anabolics such as Creatine must be approached in the same manner as using illegal steroids. Utilizing short 8 week cycle burst, then cruising-running smaller dosages for 3 weeks, then going back on full-throttle for another 6-8 weeks, will allow one to maintain most if not all of their newly found strength-size gains minus some water retention/cell volumizing duing the cruising period. This is due to the fact your never off long enough to give the muscles a chance to shrink.



STEROIDS AND YOUR HEALTH


Quite often bodybuilders face high blood pressue-(kidney and heart stress) from employing high doses of aromatizing AAS. This can be avoided to a large degree by using a conglomeration of anabolic compounds with restricted amounts of testosterone. Mixing compounds-(synergy) is the mysterious way to achieve more gains with fewer side effects, not using high dosages of one compound such as test by itself. All cycles should involve a testosterone base but anabolic dosages need to be kept much higher than the testosterone if high blood pressure becomes unmanageable.

The large amounts of protein- powders, meats and dairy foods needed during a steroid cycle can be bad for the heart-not because these foods contain fat but because these foods contain high levels of methionine, an amino acid constitute of protein. Methionine is turned into "homocysteine" which in turn lowers levels of B-12, B-6, and folic acid. The body will need these 3 vitamins in larger quantities during a high protein diet.

A baby aspirin taken at bedtime can help lower blood pressure. Elevated estrogen levels increase aldosterone which brings about overall water retention causing increases in blood pressure. The addition of anti-estrogen can help keep water retention down by eliminating estrogen. Dandelion root can also work very well as a natural diurectic when one needs an immediate water loss.

High hemocrit levels ( sticky blood) is another major concern. This is caused by an increase in red-blood cell count from using AAS. My Endocrinologist told me high hemocrit levels scared him the most because it increases ones chance of having a stroke. Ways to make the blood less sticky are to take a baby aspirin at night and/or give blood as often as possible.

Liver stress can occur with the use of c17 alfa-alkylated steroids. Those with prior existing liver conditions should never use c17's. Milk thistle, liv-52 or a product sold by our board sponsor here at (IronMagazine) can help protect the liver and should always be used when cycling c17's. Drinking plenty of water each day helps with kidney function/liver and should not be neglected.

I've read some out-landish (need to take supplement lists) that some have recommend while on a cycle. It totals out to about 15 different compounds. First, who has the money to afford that many add-ons to a cycle??? Second, mixing that much of anything would make one sicker than the actual steroids themselves.

NOTE: Blood work is a "MUST" and should be done both before and after cycle when including a new AAS into your program. The key is to see if body reacts to the new drug or combination there of in a negative manner. A few examples would be (Anadrol and liver values), (EQ and hemocrit levels),(Tren and prostrate function) ( GH-SLIN and sugar levels). It's okay to do several smaller cycles before getting blood work done if you are using steroids that have been proven to get along with your body but I can't sress enough how important it is to get regular lab work. If you don't own a blood pressure monitor then go purchase one!!!

(TENDON HEALTH)


If you plan to use steroids long term, then you will have to run the occasional cycle that centers around re-building the tendons. A person must avoid using anti-estrogens at all cost during a tendon building cycle. The debilitating effects of anti-es are three fold. (1st) Estrogen suppresion causes a decrease in water. This lack of water retention decreases the "cushioning effect" on the joints placing more demand on them. (2nd) Lowered estrogen levels creates bone loss and collagen loss which creates weaker/smaller tendons. (3rd) The reduction is estrogen/progesterone activity by way of DHT or anti-es causes the body to produce less anti-flammatories and painkilling cytokines.

But theres more to the story. You will also want to use certain "anabolics" in adition to using no anties inorder to counter-react the negative effects the more "androgenic" steroids have created.

Below is a detailed article by moderator "Mudge," explaining what anabolics to use to support tendon health.


While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen synthesis at the same time with certain AAS.


Why settle for being a man when you can be an "IRONMAN".

[Bigpup101]

nice thread, learned a bit there. Very intresting

[*Narkissos*]

interesting.. the only part i had a problem with was the constant statements: "tren is a dht-derivative"

Tren is 19-nor is it not?

[shoalin]

Good stuff man, I remember when i did my first cycle and it was just test but by the end of it my joints was killing me.

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[IXISiDiuSIXI]

best read I've had in awhile, good post

[hosam4ever]

bump

[Bigpup101]

surprised not more comments on this, thought it was a good thread..bump

[gabriel595]

nice thread bro

[gabriel595]

one question for the creatine, you mean 6-8 weeks of heavy use so whats heavy use for you? doses i mean, then 3 weeks of low doses how would that doses be? 5 grams per day?

[restless1]

thanks for posting........great read

[bigrose]

interesting.. the only part i had a problem with was the constant statements: "tren is a dht-derivative"

Tren is 19-nor is it not?

as far as i know, tren is 19-nor. i am 100% positive.

good overall post. i learned some stuff and it was an easy read.

[The Iron Man]

interesting.. the only part i had a problem with was the constant statements: "tren is a dht-derivative"

Tren is 19-nor is it not?

Yeah I'm not sure how I managed to list Trenbolone as a DHT Derivative but it is not. Tren is a 19-nor.

Thanks for the FYI..

[The Iron Man]

one question for the creatine, you mean 6-8 weeks of heavy use so whats heavy use for you? doses i mean, then 3 weeks of low doses how would that doses be? 5 grams per day?

Is your ? referring to the standard powdered "Creatine Monohydrate" or "Effervescent Creative"?

[lifthard2005]

this should go in the educational threads forum

[The Iron Man]

this should go in the educational threads forum

Yeah Giantz11 has the IRON MAN "HIT" training program posted in the Stickie-"Various Training Techniques". A small portion of (Anabolic Phases Explained) is in that thread.

[anabolicvenom]

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[gabriel595]

Is your ? referring to the standard powdered "Creatine Monohydrate" or "Effervescent Creative"?

i'm referring to the standard creatine monohydrate the one you load and all that stuff

[The Iron Man]

i'm referring to the standard creatine monohydrate the one you load and all that stuff

A good plan is to load up to 30 grams of creatine in 3 dosages for 1 week followed by 10-15 grams daily there after for the next 6-8 weeks. During the 3 week cruise use 3-5 grams eod.

[russia dog]

are you saying runing over 6week does very little but
harm?

[primetime1]

good post ironman.. learned a bit off this too.

[The Iron Man]

are you saying runing over 6 week does very little but
harm?

I'm not saying running over 6-8 weeks does very little but harm. What I'm saying is our body begins to adapt to the same dosages after 6-8 weeks depending on the drug used. For e.g.; D-bol = 6 weeks where as Test Suspension= 8 weeks. After this time frame our bodies reach a state where anabolism and catabolism are on about an even plane. The secret is to get out all together before side effects out weigh the benefits of using the same dosages past the 6-8 week mark, or increase your AAS usage with larger dosages of the same drugs or by adding more drugs to the equation so the muscles will continue to grow.

[neverenuff21]

nice

[gabriel595]

A good plan is to load up to 30 grams of creatine in 3 dosages for 1 week followed by 10-15 grams daily there after for the next 6-8 weeks. During the 3 week cruise use 3-5 grams eod.

thanks man, very helpful.

[lifta_00]

brilliant post Iron man!

[The Iron Man]

Good stuff man, I remember when i did my first cycle and it was just test but by the end of it my joints was killing me.

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The tendons of the shoulder are especially prone to tearing when doing moderate amounts of test only cycles. I hope everyone takes heed and begins incorporating tendon building cycles into their anabolic program.

[briansauras]

Im just curious, when people post articles and what not, how can you be sure that it is all correct?

And has anyone ever done any of those sample cycles above or use that info when planing there own cycles?

Also it says that nolva decreases igf so in turn wouldnt that make one lose gains during pct if there gh/gf is being lowered?

[The Iron Man]

Im just curious, when people post articles and what not, how can you be sure that it is all correct?

And has anyone ever done any of those sample cycles above or use that info when planing there own cycles?

Also it says that nolva decreases igf so in turn wouldnt that make one lose gains during pct if there gh/gf is being lowered?

1. briansauras make a very critical point!!! How can we be sure that an article posted is correct??? It's been my experience when some trainers want attention they write articles they know will produce a desired reaction from others. In my own line of work-"Personal Training", I've explored the important role that games play in the bodybuilding community, where people use them to exercise power or deal with Envy. Unfortunately the pleasure of such games often moves people to distract others from productive bodybuilding-and in some cases, articles filled with fallacies can replace hard work ethics and productive methods. Being able to spot credible evidence is crucial.

2. The Sample Cycles I listed have been tried and proven effective.

3. Igf is lowered a small margin by using Nolvadex but LEAN MASS RETENTION has more to do with establishing HPTA function.

[MMA]

this has been posted b4, and i question the accuracy of a lot of it. a lot of great theories, no research to back it up. and several people tried to find out where he got his "collagen synthesis" numbers from, and nobody has been able to find any study confirming these numbers.

[The Iron Man]

this has been posted b4, and i question the accuracy of a lot of it. a lot of great theories, no research to back it up. and several people tried to find out where he got his "collagen synthesis" numbers from, and nobody has been able to find any study confirming these numbers.

The "collagen synthesis" article was not written by me but theres no disputing the fact that (moderate-high dosed Testosterone Cycles) can destroy tendons over an extended period. I've witnessed it time and time again.

We have discussed the "Collagen Synthesis" theories with numerous endocrinologist. Every doctor felt the article presented by Mudge had some credibilty. Amazing enough, each doc was aware of the powerful tendon building effects Growth Hormone had to offer.

NOTE: I think it's crystal clear that we as bodybuilders need to incorporate tendon building cycles to prolong our lifting careers.

[majorpecs]

wow, nice read.

[needmassx3]

Great thread. Just what i was looking for.

[briansauras]

A good plan is to load up to 30 grams of creatine in 3 dosages for 1 week followed by 10-15 grams daily there after for the next 6-8 weeks. During the 3 week cruise use 3-5 grams eod.

is that for on cycle or off?

[The Iron Man]

is that for on cycle or off?

Cycling Creatine with the dosages specified above works quite well for both "Naturals" and the "Chemically Enhanced." ATP is an energy source for all cellular processes. Creatine supplementation will increase ATP levels.

NOTE: Utilizing "Creatine" while taking "Anabolics" is especially important because of "Androgen Receptor Sites". When steroid molecules unite with receptor sites, it makes new proteins if the number of catabolic mesages are not dominant. When cells contain plenty amounts of ATP, the androgen receptors are allowed to move into the cell. Androgen receptors are required to be located outside of the cell so they can unite with steroid molecules before travelling into the cell to elevate protein synthesis. Low levels of ATP/CP will toss a monkey wrench into ones whole AAS program because androgen recptors get trapped outside of the cell regardless of how much androgens are flowing throughout the body. Trying to further Muscle Mass with in-adequate levels of (ATP) is comparable to a bodybuilder striving to build muscle mass while being (low on calories).

[neverenuff21]

So... Anyone form new opinions since this. Seeing that the long cycles it suggests against are what seems to be common practice around here. What about changing compounds at the six week spot keeping test as your base obviously. Thoughts?

[The Iron Man]

So... Anyone form new opinions since this. Seeing that the long cycles it suggests against are what seems to be common practice around here. What about changing compounds at the six week spot keeping test as your base obviously. Thoughts?

Keep in mind I am not suggesting against long cycles. I'm against long cycles with the same dosages. For example: 750 mgs of testosterone and 400 mgs of deca ran for 12 weeks straight with no manipulations. No one continues to build much muscle with the same dosages after the steroid has been in the system for 8 weeks.

Note: Suppressing estrogen levels for long periods of time will cause deterioration in the bones, tendons, and joints. That's why it's extremely important to not use anti-es for extended periods of time such as 12 weeks in exception to pre-contest..

[marcus300]

Keep in mind I am not suggesting against long cycles. I'm against long cycles with the same dosages. For example: 750 mgs of testosterone and 400 mgs of deca ran for 12 weeks straight with no manipulations. No one continues to build muscle with the same dosages after the steroid has been in the system for 6-8 weeks.

Note: Suppressing estrogen levels for long periods of time will cause deterioration in the bones, tendons, and joints. That's why it's extremely important to not use anti-es for extended periods of time such as 12 weeks in exception to pre-contest..

Am sure everybody knows my views on long cycle vs short ones, there are alot of things i agree with in your first post, but also a few what i dont,
good reading tho

[neverenuff21]

So...change the second compound all together? Or just add a third?

[RA]

Keep in mind I am not suggesting against long cycles. I'm against long cycles with the same dosages. For example: 750 mgs of testosterone and 400 mgs of deca ran for 12 weeks straight with no manipulations. No one continues to build muscle with the same dosages after the steroid has been in the system for 6-8 weeks.

Explain this one to me like I just fell off the turnip truck. Why would ones biggest gains be in the 6-10 week area on the same doses if they are not "continuing to build muscle"

[neverenuff21]

Explain this one to me like I just fell off the turnip truck. Why would ones biggest gains be in the 6-10 week area on the same doses if they are not "continuing to build muscle"

I understand Iron's point of your body being able to adapt, but Im unclear of his theory on changing if you did want to "alter" your cycle say if you were doing 12-14 weeks. Iron?

[neverenuff21]

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