25 Week bulker/cutter Cycle Please Critique

[Steele]

sup brotha's this is the cycle i am doing all the way up to my show(s) in the fall. let me know what you think. keep in mind i do lose hair easily on cycle and igf is the only substance i have no experience with.

wk 1-10 Deca 400mg
wk 11-25 EQ 600mg
wk 4-17 625mg Test E
wk 18-25 Test Prop
wk 5-8 (40mcg), 13-16 (50mvg), 21-24 (60mcg) IGF-1 lr3
wk 1-4 (8iu), 9-12 (8iu), 17-20 (8iu) slin
wk 5-25 arimidex .5 ED
wk 20-25 Anavar 30-50mg
wk 17-25 clenbuterol
wk 5-8, 13-16, 21-24 500iu hcg every 3rd day

thats enough gonna leave out the pct, but it will probabbly consist of aromisin and nolva. plus some slin and gh or igf.

1)Mainly just concerned about transitioning from one substance to another and going from bulking anabolics to contest drugs.
2)will var make me look hard enough or should i use somethin else? (gotta protect the hairline or i would do tren , and i still might short term)

oh and currently i am 5'11'' at 220lbs at 9% bodyfat 28yr old and i am currently in week 4.
My goal is to come in at 215-220 at 3-4% bodyfat. think its possible. and yes i do know how to eat and i have done one show.

[1buffsob]

Doses on the test? Also, why didn't you do test durring the first 4 weeks.

[lifthard2005]

isn't 3-4% bf crazy dangerous?

thought 6% was the lowest you could go in total.....

[stocky121]

isn't 3-4% bf crazy dangerous?

thought 6% was the lowest you could go in total.....

3-4 is comp standered very low IMO


also why not run your test from the start ????

[marcus300]

Have you ran a 25 weeker before? if so what was the results?

[Booz]

just a heads up mate i ran a 24 weeker last year and coming off was hard for me....also i did not see much in the way of gains after the 14th week...............

[marcus300]

just a heads up mate i ran a 24 weeker last year and coming off was hard for me....also i did not see much in the way of gains after the 14th week...............

Booz, when did you see the most gains in the cycle? was it all the way up to wk 14 or sooner then a steady gain?

[Booz]

i am a late starter with most long acting tests M........prolly coz i need to up the dose..........that is bein rectified this summer..lol..
i sa w nothing in the way of sign gains till around the 7th week.....they continued slowly till around the 13-14th week......then it really did plateu out.....thats till i added winstrol in at the end.....never again mate.....

[marcus300]

i am a late starter with most long acting tests M........prolly coz i need to up the dose..........that is bein rectified this summer..lol..
i sa w nothing in the way of sign gains till around the 7th week.....they continued slowly till around the 13-14th week......then it really did plateu out.....thats till i added winstrol in at the end.....never again mate.....

Intresting, so what were the gains like from wk 7 to 14?

[Booz]

Intresting, so what were the gains like from wk 7 to 14?

to be perfectly honest with you M not as much as id hoped for......
week 7-14 i probably put on 7-8lbs but leaned out in the procsess..........
bearing in mind i was having a rough time as my wife was not too well with being pregnant......high bp with having pre-eclampsia with the twins a few years ago.......so obv my mind was not honed in if you know what i mean....

[marcus300]

to be perfectly honest with you M not as much as id hoped for......
week 7-14 i probably put on 7-8lbs but leaned out in the procsess..........
bearing in mind i was having a rough time as my wife was not too well with being pregnant......high bp with having pre-eclampsia with the twins a few years ago.......so obv my mind was not honed in if you know what i mean....

am hi-jacking this thread, sorry

will pm you booz, sounds like you need to do things slightly different, got some ideas for you, you know what i mean

[Steele]

this time i kept the test out till i needed it for the sex drive just to see if i could save a few hairs on my head.
i haven't done any cycle longer than 16 weeks, and what booz said kinda freaks me out, although i am not really trying to grow after the initial 14 weeks cause after that i am only concerned about maintaining muscle and getting ripped.
i was 5% (underwater weighing) for my first show so i know that 3-4% is completely possible
any other suggestions or input

[1buffsob]

Maybe run the deca a little longer. I don't respond very quickly to long esters. If you're the same, and since your trying to grow for the first 14weeks then maintain muscle and cut up, maybe run the deca a little longer and/or a bit higher of a dose. Just something to consider.

Keep us updated on your progress. Best of luck brother.

1buffsob

[Steele]

1buffsob, good idea about the deca . i will go 12 weeks with it, but problly not longer cause i want the deca bloat to go away when my cutting diet starts.

i guess the igf-1 dosing and timing are ok? (considering the competitions)

i want to be a f&*%ing beast when i go out there. i know i have alot of mass to gain still but last show i was an unimpressive 198lbs at 5% this fall i want 215-220 shredded. right now i am 230 lbs at @10%. think i can do it or could i come in heavier?

[1buffsob]

I think you definately can. And I hear you about the deca . Nothing helps add huge mass for me like deca, but the bloat is horrible. I'm running it for winter cycles from now on. Check the igf-1 dosing and timing questions in the slin/hgh/igf forumn for the best advice.

Good luck

1buffsob

[G-1000]

I would chang up a few things.


wk 1-12 Deca 500mg
wk 1-25 EQ 600mg
wk 1-17 700mg Test E
wk 18-25 Test Prop 125mg ed
wk 5-8 (40mcg), 13-16 (50mvg), 21-24 (60mcg) IGF-1 lr3
wk 1-4 (8iu), 9-12 (8iu), 17-20 (8iu) slin
wk 5-25 arimidex .5 ED
wk 12-25 Anavar 30-50mg Var for 5 weeks is a wast.
wk 17-25 clenbuterol
wk 5-8, 13-16, 21-24 500iu hcg every 3rd day


IMO

[1buffsob]

I would chang up a few things.


wk 1-12 Deca 500mg
wk 1-25 EQ 600mg
wk 1-17 700mg Test E
wk 18-25 Test Prop 125mg ed
wk 5-8 (40mcg), 13-16 (50mvg), 21-24 (60mcg) IGF-1 lr3
wk 1-4 (8iu), 9-12 (8iu), 17-20 (8iu) slin
wk 5-25 arimidex .5 ED
wk 12-25 Anavar 30-50mg Var for 5 weeks is a wast.
wk 17-25 clenbuterol
wk 5-8, 13-16, 21-24 500iu hcg every 3rd day


IMO

I agree with running the EQ all the way through. I believe it to be a mild enough drug that you can run it for that long without any harm. As for upping the doses, I'm all for it. If you have the cash to do it, the cycle gsxxr outlined is one bad mofo.

1buffsob

[Steele]

gsxxr, i never thought about running EQ that long...but it does make some since. i will do it. and i think thats great advice on the Var. i will follow that igf dosing as well. great advice, thanks for your time bro.

will let you guys know how i do.

[taiboxa]

I would chang up a few things.


wk 1-12 Deca 500mg
wk 1-25 EQ 600mg
wk 1-17 700mg Test E
wk 18-25 Test Prop 125mg ed
wk 5-8 (40mcg), 13-16 (50mvg), 21-24 (60mcg) IGF-1 lr3
wk 1-4 (8iu), 9-12 (8iu), 17-20 (8iu) slin
wk 5-25 arimidex .5 ED
wk 12-25 Anavar 30-50mg Var for 5 weeks is a wast.
wk 17-25 clenbuterol
wk 5-8, 13-16, 21-24 500iu hcg every 3rd day


IMO

I like gsxxr idea but there are a few things i would like to change.
eq probably shouldnt be ran that long in conjuction w/ Deca due to blood pressure and rbc count. active lifes dont match up but he was obvisouly in a hurry and he knows them for sure.

wk 1-12 Deca 500mg
wk 8-25 EQ 600mg
wk 1-17 700mg Test E
wk 18-28 Test Prop 100mg ed
wk 5-8 (40mcg), 13-16 (50mvg), 21-24 (60mcg) IGF-1 lr3
wk 1-4 (8iu), 9-12 (8iu), 17-20 (8iu) slin take slin into pct.
wk 5-25 arimidex .5 ED
wk 12-28 Anavar 30-50mg Var for 5 weeks is a waste.
wk 17-28 clenbuterol use benedryll to reset beta2's every 3rd week or even Every 4th week.
wk 5-8, 13-16, 21-24 500iu hcg every 3rd day

could just save hcg and runit for last couple weeks prior to pct. it works well for me

[Steele]

taiboxa, i wondered about the blood pressure. i think your revision is what actually seems alittle more feasible for me. it might save me a few dollars and i think results will be similar. again, thanks for your time. -STEELE

[marcus300]

I would do shorter cycles to the run up to the contest, 25 weeks will be hard on your system and will be hard to recover and maintain the gains after you come off, do shorter cycles recover and change the compounds to suit for cutting up to the show.

Ive designed afew cycles for BB's for contest prep and i have had better results with running shorter cycles and switch compounds when the body is fresh to respond again.

[pattymac931]

all i can say is good luck for ur show~!

[LivinItUp]

you can run CLEN that long? if u take benedryl every 3 weeks?

[taiboxa]

you can run CLEN that long? if u take benedryl every 3 weeks?

ed on the 3rd week helps me i take about 100mg night which im not sure but i think is a lil high compared to what Anthony reccomends.

[Mesomorphyl]

test throughout and where is the t3 and hgh
?

Bull on the clen cycle it two on two off if at all. Just use T3.

[taiboxa]

test throughout and where is the t3 and hgh
?

Bull on the clen cycle it two on two off if at all. Just use T3.

i know how u feel about it boss but i was able to definetly keep clen active w/ benedryl at 100mg E'night


OR MAYBE my DIET WAS JUST THAT AWSOME!!!