nervous, results not here?

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 01:49 PM

I'm 35yrs old, 210 lbs been working out for 18 years. I'm in my third cycle, first with d-bol, second sust-deca -dbol about 2 yrs ago. 4 weeks ago I started a cycle of 400ml test e and 300ml deca. (my 5th shot of test is wed). My question is I don't seem to be gaining and weight. Oh yea I've been getting between 250-300 grams of protien. first week I gained 8 lbs. I'm alot stronger, but not gaining any mass. Test and Deca from a Dr.

**MatrixGuy** · 04-03-2006, 01:56 PM

Whats your total calorie intake for the day?

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 01:57 PM

test and deca usually take about 6-7 weeks to kick in.

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:02 PM

not sure of calories, I guess I'm not that advanced. would drinking water have something to do with it, I don't drink much?

**MatrixGuy** · 04-03-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

not sure of calories, I guess I'm not that advanced. would drinking water have something to do with it, I don't drink much?

If your not over your maintenance for the day then you won't gain weight.

**Booz** · 04-03-2006, 02:07 PM

in my expirience with both these compounds i have not seen any major gains till week 7.........but this is me.....everyone is different..you if just taken your 5th shot are only into week 3 yes?
give it another few weeks at least mate......

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:07 PM

If it takes 6-7 weeks, when does it end?

**Booz** · 04-03-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

I'm 35yrs old, 210 lbs been working out for 18 years. I'm in my third cycle, first with d-bol, second sust-deca -dbol about 2 yrs ago. 4 weeks ago I started a cycle of 400ml test e and 300ml deca. (my 5th shot of test is wed). My question is I don't seem to be gaining and weight. Oh yea I've been getting between 250-300 grams of protien. first week I gained 8 lbs. I'm alot stronger, but not gaining any mass. Test and Deca from a Dr.

do me a favour and outline the cycle .......................

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:09 PM

no I've been doing test on wed and deca on sat, but what I ment was it will be my 5th shot of test e on wed

**Booz** · 04-03-2006, 02:11 PM

you should imo be split the test and deca up into bi-weekly injections mate....this will help keep your blood levels more stable...........

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 04-03-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

I'm 35yrs old, 210 lbs been working out for 18 years. I'm in my third cycle, first with d-bol, second sust-deca -dbol about 2 yrs ago. 4 weeks ago I started a cycle of 400ml test e and 300ml deca. (my 5th shot of test is wed). My question is I don't seem to be gaining and weight. Oh yea I've been getting between 250-300 grams of protien. first week I gained 8 lbs. I'm alot stronger, but not gaining any mass. Test and Deca from a Dr.

You should start seeing more results in the next couple weeks. Be patient. You already stated you are a lot stronger and gained 8 lbs, so those are results. Deca takes time and the gains are slow, but steady.

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:12 PM

march 8th 400ml test e
march 11th 300ml deca
march 15th 400 ml test e
march 18th 300 deca
march 22nd 400 test e
march 25th 300 deca
march 29th 400 t-e
april 1st 300 deca
that's it

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by booz

you should imo be split the test and deca up into bi-weekly injections mate....this will help keep your blood levels more stable...........

i would do test and deca on mondays and thursdays (both together in the same shot)

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

march 8th 400ml test e
march 11th 300ml deca
march 15th 400 ml test e
march 18th 300 deca
march 22nd 400 test e
march 25th 300 deca
march 29th 400 t-e
april 1st 300 deca
that's it

200test+150deca monday
200test+150deca thursday
200test+150deca monday
200test+150deca thursday
and so on..

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:14 PM

why mon and thurs? I was told not to mix.

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:17 PM

you can mix test and deca as much as you want. I used to draw them into the same syringe and inject them together, makes it easier and less poking.
imo 7 days between each injection is to long, ive always liked mondays and thursdays, i know alot of others do the same.

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:18 PM

i do the test on wed and the deca on sat. I can mix on those days if you think it would help?

**ascendant** · 04-03-2006, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

i would do test and deca on mondays and thursdays (both together in the same shot)

i would recommend the exact opposite of this suggestion. take the test and deca on different days of the week to give your body a "wave effect" of anabolics and andogenics from the two compounds. these wave injections seem to be more effective from those who have tried them as opposed to those who did two (or more) compounds on the same days. i would definitely go with booz advice though on splitting the shots up bi-weekly for each of them.

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

i do the test on wed and the deca on sat. I can mix on those days if you think it would help?

yeah that would be just like mondays and thursdays, give it a go

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:21 PM

alright. let's grow.

**MAXIMA5** · 04-03-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

why mon and thurs? I was told not to mix.

No offense, but your cycle was majorly F***ed up.

YES, you can mix them. It actually makes the shots less painful.
If you don;t want to mix, shoot the deca in one leg/glute and the test in the other.

YOU MUST SHOOT A LONG ACTING ESTER AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK.
I shoot M,W,and F with test cyp.
You can shoot Monday and Thursday.

You levels are all over the place, and this is probably why you aren;t getting the results. Even when running the cycle properly, your cycle still wouldn;t fully kick in for 6-8 weeks.

If you want a jumpstart, run the cycle as I, and everyone else suggested and do about 35mg of Dbol ED for a few weeks.

ASCENDANT also made a good point. You can stagger your compounds on different days. The key is to shoot the test and the deca bi-weekly.

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by ascendant

i would recommend the exact opposite of this suggestion. take the test and deca on different days of the week to give your body a "wave effect" of anabolics and andogenics from the two compounds. these wave injections seem to be more effective from those who have tried them as opposed to those who did two (or more) compounds on the same days. i would definitely go with booz advice though on splitting the shots up bi-weekly for each of them.

what days would you recommend for 400deca/week and 500test/week?

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:26 PM

I'm gonna jumpstart the next cycle with the d-bol. I just wanted to get going in the right direction before the "bread and butter" cycle with the d-bol. Probably will jump test up to 600 and leave deca at 300, start with 30mg d-bol. sound ok?

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:28 PM

i would do 500test e weeks 1-12, 300 deca weeks 1-11, 25mg dbol ed weeks 1-4 (30+mg dbol is just overkill imo)

**hitbombs** · 04-03-2006, 02:29 PM

I have ten's so it's 20 or 30, can't break a d-bol in half, too small

**MAXIMA5** · 04-03-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by hitbombs

I have ten's so it's 20 or 30, can't break a d-bol in half, too small

I know guys who did 40ED, so 30 isn;t overkill IMO.
You can always start at 20 and see how you feel.

**ascendant** · 04-03-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

what days would you recommend for 400deca/week and 500test/week?

sun (morning) - 250 test
mon (night) - 200 deca
thur (morning) - 250 test
fri (night) - 200 deca

regretfully i can't find the info now on the androgenic /anabolic wave-effect of this method, but i've heard it mentioned twice from two different people that definitely knew what they were talking about.

easiest way to look at it is that andogenic and anabolic effects work differently, and by splitting when your body gets the next "hit" of either allows the body to prioritize one over the other, enhancing the effect as opposed to it having to deal with a hit of both at the same time and not being able to do either as effectively cause you're asking your body to do both at once. of course blood levels will be stable so they'll both still be in your system at the same time, but it's like splitting up clen .

even though clen has a half-life of 36 hours, if you take your whole dose all at once in the day or split it up, you notice a difference cause there's an initial adjustment done by the body to the new wave of it being introduced to your system. so the concept of this method makes sense, and until i have evidence showing it won't help results, it makes too much sense for me to not do it.