Pct, Clen, & Creatine Questions ?

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 07:33 AM

hey guys i just finished up last week my 12 week bulk cycle which consisted of:

sust250: 1-12wks
anadrol : 1-3wks (sides were not good)

now starting proper pct: clomid, nolv.. adding: clen , taurine, creatine.

1. will creatine during pct interfere with clen. ill be adding clen to my pct therapy & i want to know should i wait until after pct to use creatine or can i run it together without any issues i must know.

2. my concern also is the heart rate issue being that creatine has stimulants in it & w/ clenbuterol i dont want to have a heart attack or something. please help, thanks.

B.D.

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 09:16 AM

B U M P ..

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 12:17 PM

please bump for quick help..

**XReps** · 04-04-2006, 02:18 PM

In my opinion, creatine is a great supplement while bulking. It gives people a fuller feel .... some even reported that it takes away from their definition.

What I would suggest is cut off the creatine during your PCT/CLEN ... take advantage of the clen results .... to me, its pointless to be trying to bulk w/ creatine and cut with clen at the same time.

Since you just finished a bulking cycle, cut it up with the clen & pct, ... if you keep hitting the gym, you shouldnt lose strenght. what are you worried about losing, strenght or size?

**XReps** · 04-04-2006, 02:20 PM

OHH! And you might get a better response if you post this in the PCT Forum?

and no more ....

**stupidhippo** · 04-04-2006, 02:27 PM

creatine being a stimulant? clarify please.. I have never had a problem running then together.. And as for the heart rate, AAS cycle lifts my HR higher than clen ..

**XReps** · 04-04-2006, 02:38 PM

you bring up a good point hippo, but isnt creatine also considered a metabolic stimulant? ............... along with the stimulants in clen , could that cause an even increased heart rate?

(not for nothing bobbyD, with clen, your heart rate jumps thru the roof, so if you can't handle that, then maybe clen isnt for you) ... try small dosages until ur comfortable.

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 02:40 PM

thanks for the input xreps, atleast someone cares..

this is what i thought for 1, creatine giving a fuller feel & look, but i dont want to counter act the clen .. ill wait till after pct..now maybe i can get a debate on this since a guy like u helped w/ an answer..

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

creatine being a stimulant? clarify please.. I have never had a problem running then together.. And as for the heart rate, AAS cycle lifts my HR higher than clen..

hippo, i meant it has stimulants in it (creatine).. when i first started up w/ creatine, the first few days i thought my heart was gonna explode, lol.. i used the trac from MHP, but i also was taking L-arginine as well, & i found out it was to much arginine in my system.. it was making my blood speed thru my vains, as described, another words thinning my blood to much..

**stupidhippo** · 04-04-2006, 02:46 PM

yeah start with small doses and ramp it up slowly..
Im not sure about that property of creatine but I really suspect it isnt a factor in this case.. Clen is a sympathomimetic and it targets the b2 adrenic receptors mainly. I would find it really hard to believe that crea would have any enhancing effect to clen. Watch your HR and BP on clen. I for one belong to that group whose HR lifts only quite moderately (I experience bigger raise from test alone) but youll never know how you react..

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by XReps

you bring up a good point hippo, but isnt creatine also considered a metabolic stimulant? ............... along with the stimulants in clen , could that cause an even increased heart rate?

(not for nothing bobbyD, with clen, your heart rate jumps thru the roof, so if you can't handle that, then maybe clen isnt for you) ... try small dosages until ur comfortable.

no i will try the recommended 20mcg the first day, then 40mcg, then 60mcg & see where it takes me.. u know w/ my panic/anxiety episodes, i dont want to be doing the herky jerky on the floor of the gym

**stupidhippo** · 04-04-2006, 02:51 PM

Yeah clen can induce panic attack ir u r susceptible.. The first day Im on clen I feel like Im on speed..

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

yeah start with small doses and ramp it up slowly..
Im not sure about that property of creatine but I really suspect it isnt a factor in this case.. Clen is a sympathomimetic and it targets the b2 adrenic receptors mainly. I would find it really hard to believe that crea would have any enhancing effect to clen. Watch your HR and BP on clen. I for one belong to that group whose HR lifts only quite moderately (I experience bigger raise from test alone) but youll never know how you react..

u know whats funny hippo, when i was on my past sust250 cycle, i experience some heavy breathing & out of breath syptoms when working out.i felt like a 300lbs fat a$$.. but i did some research & saw that testosterone can do that.. also i thought i should do more cardio & what not to build stamina, but that wasn't the case.. my stomach was a little bloated for the last 8weeks due to the increased cortisol that roids give off in the body, which i just found out, now my stomach is on its way to a six pack.. its alot flatter.. thanks bro

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

Yeah clen can induce panic attack ir u r susceptible.. The first day Im on clen I feel like Im on speed..

ill be very cautious..thanks

**LOKITSC** · 04-04-2006, 02:57 PM

Bobby D,

What sides did you experience on DROL? Did you cut Drol use short? How were the gains?

**BOBBY D** · 04-04-2006, 03:03 PM

the sides were somewhat very discomforting starting the second week.. i experienced constant nausea & i couldn't even eat a morsel at times. now everybodies different, some love drol & some dont.. i had to cut it short after week 3. i did get very strong which was funny, but no size or bloat which is its main purpose.. go figure.