Creatine while ON?

**anavar100** · 04-19-2006, 01:07 PM

how many of u take creatine when on a cycle? is it a good idea to?

**shadyadam** · 04-19-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by anavar100

how many of u take creatine when on a cycle? is it a good idea to?

It isnt a bad idea. In fact it can be used during your cycle or even your PCT.

**Swifto** · 04-19-2006, 01:14 PM

Many use it for PCT. I use it for both, 3-5g/ED.

**novicenovicen** · 04-19-2006, 01:17 PM

use on pct to help keep water gains and speed recovery time (of muscles).

**keith hackney** · 04-19-2006, 01:17 PM

i think it is a good idea. it wont hurt. starting in pct is a decent way to go.

**Liftnainez** · 04-19-2006, 01:19 PM

i havent heard to many people use when on but I did hear many people say they use it for pct..

**ProteinFart** · 04-19-2006, 01:36 PM

Similar topic but a digression none the less ... What about Nitric Oxide? I've heard it's great to use while on. Thoughts?

**novicenovicen** · 04-19-2006, 01:47 PM

I would go with saying good both on and off. Many aas help you have a positive nitrogen balance, and that would help fuel this. of course when cycling off, anything to help you be less catabolic and more efficient recovery would be helpful.

**marcus300** · 04-19-2006, 01:48 PM

Save it for pct, never found a great benefit while cycling.

**C_Bino** · 04-19-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Save it for pct, never found a great benefit while cycling.

Bingo. You wont notice any difference while on.
That being said I pretty much use creatine year round when Im not on in my PWO shake.

**Swifto** · 04-19-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Bingo. You wont notice any difference while on.
That being said I pretty much use creatine year round when Im not on in my PWO shake.

Why not? If your bulking its good for mass/strength gains "on" or "off".

**magic32** · 04-19-2006, 01:57 PM

Depends on how you respond. I've read definite benefits that I'm sure a techie can point out below.

AND READ MY AI THREAD!!!!!!

M.

**C_Bino** · 04-19-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Why not? If your bulking its good for mass/strength gains "on" or "off".

C'mon are y ou telling me when you're on roids you can actually notice creatine increasing your strength? If so than by all means use it, but I dont notice shit all when I got Test, deca etc already circulating through me.

**marcus300** · 04-19-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

C'mon are y ou telling me when you're on roids you can actually notice creatine increasing your strength? If so than by all means use it, but I dont notice shit all when I got Test, deca etc already circulating through me.

correct bino, never seen a great benefit only in pct, but if some are seeing good results while on cycle than yeh use it but id question the cycle...if that was the case

**clements22** · 04-19-2006, 02:52 PM

i hear its good with anvar and its good for pct because it boost lh?

**fitguy** · 04-19-2006, 05:46 PM

its better to use creatine when off than when on cause simply you didnt need it while using steroids ,it wouldnt make such a difference in terms of strength and gains ,its more wise to use during pct to give you alittle bit of increased strength and maybe some mass ..peace

**MACHI** · 04-19-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by anavar100

how many of u take creatine when on a cycle? is it a good idea to?

Its a terrible idea. Thats like using amphetamines for their benifits as stimulants then drinking a bunch of coffee because it will help you stay awake too.

Bottom line, from a financial perspective, don't waste your money. If anything, save it for PCT.

***BajanBastard*** · 04-19-2006, 08:08 PM

Alot of you guys don't really know anything about creatine do you? Anyway, use the creatine while on if you're a responder. Not only will you increase ATP synthesis but it causes satellite cell proliferation via a different pathway than AAS, making the cycle more productive. The water retention in the muscle will also help especially if you're taking an AI to avoid estrogenic sides. Creatine also has anti-oxidant properties and helps the body regulate heat, which may help your cardio.

**C_Bino** · 04-19-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Alot of you guys don't really know anything about creatine do you? Anyway, use the creatine while on if you're a responder. Not only will you increase ATP synthesis but it causes satellite cell proliferation via a different pathway than AAS, making the cycle more productive. The water retention in the muscle will also help especially if you're taking an AI to avoid estrogenic sides. Creatine also has anti-oxidant properties and helps the body regulate heat, which may help your cardio.

Kilgor, are you saying creatine itself has anti oxidant properties, or the ALA that is usually found in the mixtures?

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 04-19-2006, 08:13 PM

hell id use it. Just for the fvck of it.
Juice is supposed to help creatine storage so i say go for it.

***BajanBastard*** · 04-19-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Kilgor, are you saying creatine itself has anti oxidant properties, or the ALA that is usually found in the mixtures?

Did you see ALA anywhere in my post noob

J/K. Yeah creatine does work as an anti-oxidant.

**C_Bino** · 04-19-2006, 08:27 PM

OOHHHHHHH so Kilgor takes creatine and now he thinks hes big. How much you benchin now ... 135 yet?

Watch out guys...

***BajanBastard*** · 04-19-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

OOHHHHHHH so Kilgor takes creatine and now he thinks hes big. How much you benchin now ... 135 yet?

Watch out guys...

I prefer the 10g creatine i use compared to the primo in your 'broke back' cycles. PrimoHomo.

**MACHI** · 04-19-2006, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Alot of you guys don't really know anything about creatine do you? Anyway, use the creatine while on if you're a responder. Not only will you increase ATP synthesis but it causes satellite cell proliferation via a different pathway than AAS, making the cycle more productive. The water retention in the muscle will also help especially if you're taking an AI to avoid estrogenic sides. Creatine also has anti-oxidant properties and helps the body regulate heat, which may help your cardio.

No one that tells him not to take creatine while on gear is saying that it won't help him through synergistic effects....... All WE'RE saying is that if your comparing the two, the gains from creatine will be miniscule compared to those from the gear. And why stress your joints and ligaments out even further? They always scream for mercy at the end of a cycle anyways. Also, the anti-oxidant properties you speak of will be almost immeasurable. I know your a vet and I sound like a noob commin at you like this but I know my shit.

Yes he can take creatine while on cycle.
Yes it will help him gain more.
No I don't think its worthwhile compared to what he'll see from the gear. It would be better utilized during pct to help keep gains.

**MACHI** · 04-19-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by MACHI

No one that tells him not to take creatine while on gear is saying that it won't help him through synergistic effects....... All WE'RE saying is that if your comparing the two, the gains from creatine will be miniscule compared to those from the gear. And why stress your joints and ligaments out even further? They always scream for mercy at the end of a cycle anyways. Also, the anti-oxidant properties you speak of will be almost immeasurable. I know your a vet and I sound like a noob commin at you like this but I know my shit.

Yes he can take creatine while on cycle.
Yes it will help him gain more.
No I don't think its worthwhile compared to what he'll see from the gear. It would be better utilized during pct to help keep gains.

I guess what im trying to say that if you took two groups with identical diets, workout regimens, and hormone cycles - put one on creatine while the other on a placebo...... Do you really think you would notice a difference???

***BajanBastard*** · 04-19-2006, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by MACHI

No one that tells him not to take creatine while on gear is saying that it won't help him through synergistic effects....... All WE'RE saying is that if your comparing the two, the gains from creatine will be miniscule compared to those from the gear. And why stress your joints and ligaments out even further? They always scream for mercy at the end of a cycle anyways. Also, the anti-oxidant properties you speak of will be almost immeasurable. I know your a vet and I sound like a noob commin at you like this but I know my shit.

Yes he can take creatine while on cycle.
Yes it will help him gain more.
No I don't think its worthwhile compared to what he'll see from the gear. It would be better utilized during pct to help keep gains.

It's cool with me if you want to disagree bro. As far as i know creatine won't stress his joints out, if creatine can be used in your opinion during PCT to help keep gains why not also on cycle to get more gains. Hey, i'm not saying he'll gain 10 extra lbs of muscle if he didn't use the creatine but 1-2 extra pounds is still something to shot for, feel me?

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guess what im trying to say that if you took two groups with identical diets, workout regimens, and hormone cycles - put one on creatine while the other on a placebo...... Do you really think you would notice a difference???

Actually yeah i think it would, a small difference but none the less.

**MACHI** · 04-19-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

It's cool with me if you want to disagree bro. As far as i know creatine won't stress his joints out, if creatine can be used in your opinion during PCT to help keep gains why not also on cycle to get more gains. Hey, i'm not saying he'll gain 10 extra lbs of muscle if he didn't use the creatine but 1-2 extra pounds is still something to shot for, feel me?

IActually yeah i think it would, a small difference but none the less.

I didn't mean creatine itself would stress his joints out but rather the extra strength capability it gave his muscles as its relatively common for steroid users to experience tendon and ligament injuries from lagging (with respect to growth) growth with these tissues as compared to muscle tissues. My bad on not articulating that part....

Yeah im sayin your right in that it can be used during his cycle to help with those extra one or two pounds but I think from a financial and practical perspective its just not worth it.

**~fuelforfire~** · 04-20-2006, 12:04 AM

i do it while on cycle i guess, i dont know if it really helps though haha

**Swifto** · 04-20-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by MACHI

I didn't mean creatine itself would stress his joints out but rather the extra strength capability it gave his muscles as its relatively common for steroid users to experience tendon and ligament injuries from lagging (with respect to growth) growth with these tissues as compared to muscle tissues. My bad on not articulating that part....

Yeah im sayin your right in that it can be used during his cycle to help with those extra one or two pounds but I think from a financial and practical perspective its just not worth it.

Cost? It costs hardly anything in the UK. Creapure Creatine by Reflex is £15 (around $25) for 500g. 5g/ED is 100 days worth. If anything its a good addittion to a cycle with a tight budget IMHO. The cost/benifit ratio is good.

**Blakey** · 04-30-2006, 12:18 PM

I won't if using orals, due to the extra stress on the Kidneys or am I playing to safe? Do for pct tho.

**briansauras** · 04-30-2006, 02:14 PM

ok so whats the ideal dose for pct?

**kesh227** · 04-30-2006, 02:23 PM

taking supplements on gear is all the reason more to take them. If juice increases protein synthesis, it will only help to greatly enhance the effect of them. I'm a fan of CEE, glutamine, BCAA, and whey. Tribulis is cool for on cycle and pct, NO2 is sweet as well. But, yea id say creatine is a must.

Outlaw** · 04-30-2006, 03:01 PM

I use no-xplode and it has creatine in there. Great for workouts, but I dont notice any difference from the creatine.

**kesh227** · 04-30-2006, 03:06 PM

no-xplode has 1 gram of creatine per serving.

**kesh227** · 04-30-2006, 03:09 PM

also, check out labrada super charge, is cheaper and has the same ingredients only more per serving than no-xplode

Outlaw** · 04-30-2006, 03:21 PM

no-xplode is cheaper...

http://www.dpsnutrition.net/product_...k=search&dept=

**IBdmfkr** · 04-30-2006, 03:31 PM

Creatine is a very debatable supplement.. There are many ppl who respond very well and others who don't see any benefits from it.

I have used it during this PCT and will continue to use it during and after each cycle. CEE that is.

**briansauras** · 05-02-2006, 09:45 PM

I have mono and cee on my counter. not really sure which one would work better. any opinions?

**antterra1** · 05-02-2006, 10:02 PM

I might try in Mid-cycle, say week 6 and use it through my pct

**Undecided09** · 05-02-2006, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Outlaw**

no-xplode is cheaper...

http://www.dpsnutrition.net/product_...k=search&dept=

No Explode sucks...P.S. when something is cheaper it usually means its shittier, I know I'm gonna catch some flack for that comment, but I'm a big MRI guy and a big Ed Byrd guy, NO2 is expensive for a reason, so is CE2, its not a coincidence...