T-bol dieting?

**carteblanche08865** · 04-21-2006, 03:02 PM

Been reviewing profiles and posts on Oral Turinabol and still can't figure a few things out.

1) Why would you would eat upwards of 4000 calories when I am trying to cut bodyfat %?

2) Will vascularity and hardness go away after cycle has worn off?

3) Why clomid in pct if does not aromatize/ what is right pct?

Any and all information welcomed. Thanks

Stats
5"11
215 lbs, like to get to 200.
Running, wrestling, boxing 3 years, Lifting 2, good diet, lost 80 lbs on it, burnt out on it though and want to look a little better for summer.
First cycle, interested in cutting, completely satisfied with mass.

**mwolffey** · 04-21-2006, 03:23 PM

1) that is suggested for people who want to gain lean mass
2) because you no longer have that compound in your system, but it depends on the person on their genetics
3)because it does shut down your natural testosterone production, and pct is required to restore it

**carteblanche08865** · 04-21-2006, 03:28 PM

Thank you, if my main area of concern is to lose bodyfat, what do you suggest?

**mwolffey** · 04-21-2006, 03:35 PM

Even though i HATE the company go to www. m u s c l e t e c h . c o m they have a calculators section on their website that is somewhat accurate on helping you lose fat without muscle.Its under bodybuilding. It will cut calories about 300 under maintence weight so you lose more fat than muscle...just for the love of god dont not buy anything from the place

**mwolffey** · 04-21-2006, 03:36 PM

and justa little help...dont do oral only cycles, throw in some test if you can. and do proper pct...nolva and clomid...good luck bro

**mwolffey** · 04-21-2006, 03:46 PM

plus do cardio and look at the diet section of this site...cardio and diet are key...a pill is not gonna make you lose weight

**carteblanche08865** · 04-21-2006, 03:53 PM

ok, did that, I pretty much know how to lose the weight naturally, I just want something to boost it a little. Will the increased recovery/intensity help me to lose bodyfat on ot?? If not, what do you suggest I take. I want to stay oral, def not playing with needles, my g/f would go insane. Thanks in advance. mwolffey

**Testostack** · 04-21-2006, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by mwolffey

1) that is suggested for people who want to gain lean mass
2) because you no longer have that compound in your system, but it depends on the person on their genetics
3)because it does shut down your natural testosterone production, and pct is required to restore it

I guess nuttin has to be added up!
Good explaination dude!

**Seattle Junk** · 04-21-2006, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by carteblanche08865

ok, did that, I pretty much know how to lose the weight naturally, I just want something to boost it a little. Will the increased recovery/intensity help me to lose bodyfat on ot?? If not, what do you suggest I take. I want to stay oral, def not playing with needles, my g/f would go insane. Thanks in advance. mwolffey

Just by saying you want to stay oral means you haven't did any or limited reading here. Orals are the most damaging to your internals due to C17 (on the molecular chain) that increases it's half life and allows the drug second pass thru the liver. So it stresses your liver more and cycles are much shorter than injectables. Orals are used mostly to jump start a injectable cycle. One month of gear is going to do minimal, don't waste your time. Injectable are a lot more friendlier in general.

You need to conentrate on diet and proper routines before starting AAS. Do yourself a favor.

**mwolffey** · 04-21-2006, 08:37 PM

if you are not ready for needles, you are not ready for AAS. screw the gf's opinion. She wont be complaining when you got 500 mg of test ethanate running through you...she will love the sex drive.good luck.. pm me if you need some cycle help...i dont know everything but i have learned alot this last year

**mwolffey** · 04-21-2006, 08:40 PM

and like said before by seattle junk...you need to have diet and training down to a T. AAS only inhance what you do naturally...they are like the finishing touch...do research on diet and training while on AAS, then do reserch on steroids to figure out whats best for you and your goals.

**skyline04** · 04-21-2006, 11:30 PM

not to hijack, but I thought Tbol wouldn't shut you down all the way, just supress you... I guess depending on the person, Nolva only can be fine for PCT.

I agree with the guys above, you shouldn't be doing oral only if you aren't ready for the real thing and diet/training isn't in check. I am doing tbol only for 30 - 45 days just to see how my body reacts to it before I add it to the next cycle, but I also have a cycle under my belt. Sex drive hasn't changed yet, I feel like its gotten higher if anything.

**Testostack** · 04-22-2006, 03:50 AM

That pb ain't to shutdown/suppress, it's just that any roids plays w/your hormone so you have to "reset" after cycle, whatever roids we're talking about. That said OT has less sides, but IS a roids and needs a Pct for natty test too.

**carteblanche08865** · 04-22-2006, 09:52 PM

thanks for all the helpful info, I will stay natural for now. What you guys said makes sense to me. I knew that orals were harder on the liver, I figured that since I dont drink or stress my body much besides a hefty routine, that I could handle it. I will never inject anything, just not what I want to do right now. I'll go back to the t3 and clen and just work my way down. thanks again