This is the cycle idea i'm playing with.....

[BajanBastard]

WOW its good to read some of the types of cycles you guys use. Its amazing how it look so much more simple in the translated version lol.

Just one thing to ask though. How is a "Skinfold" 13% BF ???

Also, how come I keep hearing about how steroids WILL NOT help burn fat (I dont beleive this) but you are using them to help with that? So is it true that they do then ?

Why run test enth when cutting - I thought prop is generally used here for various reasons?

You said you will use T3 along with it @ 25mg-50mg. From what Ive read, 25mg is pretty useless as the body supposedly produces this amount anyway?? Am I wrong with that?

jus thought Id av a go at replying!! lol

Well that what it was worked out as is it wrong?


Anyways steroids burn fat, any strong binding AAS to the A.R will, the stronger the binding, the higher the fat breakdown.

The any ester test can be used for fat loss, i'm also using an A.I.

The T3 is not for fat loss, AAS especially 19-nors at high dosages lower T3 so i'm supplementing with T3 too keep my metabolism at an optimal rate.

[dazbo]

The T3 is not for fat loss, AAS especially 19-nors at high dosages lower T3 so i'm supplementing with T3 too keep my metabolism at an optimal rate.

haha - I am learning everyday!!

thanks

[*Narkissos*]

WOW its good to read some of the types of cycles you guys use. Its amazing how it look so much more simple in the translated version lol.

Just one thing to ask though. How is a "Skinfold" 13% BF ???

I'd assume that's the 'skin-fold' bf caliper test...

Also, how come I keep hearing about how steroids WILL NOT help burn fat (I dont beleive this) but you are using them to help with that? So is it true that they do then?

Steroids burn fat... the greater the action at the AR the greater the fat-burning potential. Herein lies the paradox.

Noobs come here and ask "Hey i got winny.. will that get me ripped?" Winstrol binds poorly to the AR receptor.. so the answer is NO.

That's like that BS i see all the time.. "don't use winny or materon unless you're under 10 %" That's garbage imo. Why SHOULDN'T i use them? Because they won't get me that 'dry look' unless i'm under 10%? If the 'dry look' is the only reason one uses a steroid you're better off saving your cash. Frankly...DHT-derivatives are an invaluable addition to a cycle.

Additionally the fat-burning potential of a compound increases with the administered dose. To tell a noob looking to 'use gear to get shredded' that it is safe to administer 1 gram of tren would be unresponsible. Reasonably, the potential for sides increases with the administered dosage... so you see where i'm going with this right?

Why run test enth when cutting - I thought prop is generally used here for various reasons?

I use test-E. The big guys use test-E. The prop 'golden rule' is another misconception. Guys believe water retention is 'bad' while cutting... when in fact it is not. The ester does not change the properties of the administered hormone.

You said you will use T3 along with it @ 25mg-50mg. From what Ive read, 25mg is pretty useless as the body supposedly produces this amount anyway?? Am I wrong with that?

I'm not sure how 'useless' 25 mcg is. I'm not sure 25 mcg is actually a replacement dose either. I think that's another internet board fallacy. I've run up to 100 mcg t3 once while cutting.. and never since. I don't use more than 50 mcg now.. most runs i use 25 mcg tru-out.

I believe big is using it for optimising his metabolism while on thyroid-suppressive compounds. I think a more optimal dose for this would be 12.5 mcg however. I think 25 mcg in this context would constitute a 'fat-burning' dose.

jus thought Id av a go at replying!! lol

Thanks Dazbo.

Could we get imput on the compounds?

Nark

[*Narkissos*]

Cha.. big k already replied

[guest589745]

Ya almost look like sean ray in yer sig nark^^^

The photshopped one.

[Tbone1975]

Good luck with that cycle b. I think that's cool of you guys to make it very apparent that you want advice from everyone. I would love to give ya advice but I can't because I just don't have enough experience. I'm in the process of experimenting with things myself. It's fun too! But good luck.

[BajanBastard]

Ok i need to revise this cycle, from my research this 1-testosterone cypionate (di-hydro-boldenone cypionate ) is some potent shit, some are even comparing it to tren .

So i may drop the EQ altogether use the 1-test cyp right though, hell i may not even need the masteron E.

Thoughts?

[vitor]

I would have dropped the Eq to. The AR-recepter will be completely taken care of with the Tren -dosage youre using IMO, and the Eq will have little to no benefit.(Even if it has slightly diffrent affects at the AR than Tren, IMO.)

Unless you hate ed injections, short-esters should be preferd. When you got the result youre looking for, you can yust go off straight to PCT, and not have to wait for the long esters to clear out. Its also more actually drug, in the short esters.

In the bulking face, why not add an oral like D-bol or Drol, together with the Test/Tren.( This combo will promote some dramatic pumps and strenght/size gains.)

I would defently not cruise on test. (unless you plan on being on forever.) Supression will be alot deeper when coming off then. I would cruise/Pct with Proviron , igf, Tribulus, clomid and arimidex .

For the cutting cycle I would have used, Andriol /Tren/winstrol , in dosages suitable to you. Most people would use the Prop over Andriol because its cheaper, but I like Andriol better. (You obviously know what youre doing, but this is yust more my prefrence of doing things.)

[guest589745]

In the bulking face, why not add an oral like D-bol or Drol, together with the Test/Tren .( This combo will promote some dramatic pumps and strenght/size gains.)

Lets hope so, cause its most likely what Ill be on.

[BajanBastard]

I would have dropped the Eq to. The AR-recepter will be completely taken care of with the Tren -dosage youre using IMO, and the Eq will have little to no benefit.(Even if it has slightly diffrent affects at the AR than Tren, IMO.)

Unless you hate ed injections, short-esters should be preferd. When you got the result youre looking for, you can yust go off straight to PCT, and not have to wait for the long esters to clear out. Its also more actually drug, in the short esters.

In the bulking face, why not add an oral like D-bol or Drol, together with the Test/Tren.( This combo will promote some dramatic pumps and strenght/size gains.)

I would defently not cruise on test. (unless you plan on being on forever.) Supression will be alot deeper when coming off then. I would cruise/Pct with Proviron , igf, Tribulus, clomid and arimidex .

For the cutting cycle I would have used, Andriol/Tren/winstrol, in dosages suitable to you. Most people would use the Prop over Andriol because its cheaper, but I like Andriol better. (You obviously know what youre doing, but this is yust more my prefrence of doing things.)

I agree with you on the EQ, it's out. I don't like bulking orals. No need for kick start anyway, my total AAS intake weekly is now 1900mg and i'll keep it at that.

Yes short chain AAS would have been best and that was the plan but senior MOD Narkissos bitched and moaned about multiple shots ED so i got the enanthates.

I highly doubt i'll go into a cruse now just lower the dosages during the cutting phase a go from there.

Thank you very much for you input, you're one of my favs here even though you're a primo lover.

[vitor]

I agree with you on the EQ, it's out. I don't like bulking orals. No need for kick start anyway, my total AAS intake weekly is now 1900mg and i'll keep it at that.

Yes short chain AAS would have been best and that was the plan but senior MOD Narkissos bitched and moaned about multiple shots ED so i got the enanthates.

I highly doubt i'll go into a cruse now just lower the dosages during the cutting phase a go from there.

Thank you very much for you input, you're one of my favs here even though you're a primo lover.

When are you starting big k.l.g?

Good luck...

[BajanBastard]

Well in about 3-4 weeks. I need to get the 1-test powder and more letro, i tried suspending letro in water and well..................you get the idea.

[*Narkissos*]

I would have dropped the Eq to. The AR-recepter will be completely taken care of with the Tren-dosage youre using IMO, and the Eq will have little to no benefit.(Even if it has slightly diffrent affects at the AR than Tren, IMO.)

I agree.. I didn't like the EQ component from the beginning. The test + test-derivative + tren .. all with high AR-affinity ...i didn't like

I would defently not cruise on test. (unless you plan on being on forever.) Supression will be alot deeper when coming off then. I would cruise/Pct with Proviron, igf, Tribulus, clomid and arimidex.

hm... I don't think suppression will be 'deeper'.. especially if the cruise includes hcg as i was proposing


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Ok...

I have a strange question... why not 'cruise' on a DHT-derivative?

I know.. i know.. on the boards cruising is done on a low dose of test.

But why not DHT?

Yes, test for the maintenance of libido blah blah blah.

But you've run a 19-nor minus test.. no libido loss.. why now a lowdose dht derivative cruise?

Just posing a question

Nark

[dazbo]

I use test-E. The big guys use test-E. The prop 'golden rule' is another misconception. Guys believe water retention is 'bad' while cutting... when in fact it is not. The ester does not change the properties of the administered hormone.

Im glad youve saiud that cos on the next cycle Im starting on monday, its basically a cutting one - I decided to use test E for those reasons, even though people say prop is better for cutting, I didnt see why that would be, and again couldnt see any negatives to water retention. If any.

I cant really comment on the compounds he uses as I have very little experience with them as Ive only done 1good and 1 bad cycle a yr ago.

I know he doesnt like orals but what about using something like TBol as his "cruiser" or Var ? How come he doesnt use Var at all in his cutting phase?

Thanks for the replies on the T3 nark - eye opener it was. Also, yeah I think you were right, he was talking about the skin fold testing! I thought he meant he only has a fold of skin there!! hahaha

Im only asking the above Q's because, when Im thinking of doing cutting, those are the ones that always come to mind and just wonder why he would not choose them. What are his reasons, as he has plenty of knowledge!

thanks

[BajanBastard]

Im glad youve saiud that cos on the next cycle Im starting on monday, its basically a cutting one - I decided to use test E for those reasons, even though people say prop is better for cutting, I didnt see why that would be, and again couldnt see any negatives to water retention. If any.

I cant really comment on the compounds he uses as I have very little experience with them as Ive only done 1good and 1 bad cycle a yr ago.

I know he doesnt like orals but what about using something like TBol as his "cruiser" or Var ? How come he doesnt use Var at all in his cutting phase?

Thanks for the replies on the T3 nark - eye opener it was. Also, yeah I think you were right, he was talking about the skin fold testing! I thought he meant he only has a fold of skin there!! hahaha

Im only asking the above Q's because, when Im thinking of doing cutting, those are the ones that always come to mind and just wonder why he would not choose them. What are his reasons, as he has plenty of knowledge!

thanks

I already have a 'cutting' oral, furazabol. It also will help with cholesterol.

Why i don'y use Var? I homebrew and var and tren costs around the same and tren is IMO the better drug, dollars and sense.

[dazbo]

thanks Big. Didnt realise that cholesterol lowering drug was a fat burner too.