Should I substitute test with bold on my cutting cycle?

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 02:43 AM

I am on my 5th week of my cutting cycle of:

350 tren enanthate /week
250 test enanthate/week

I am thinking about substituting the 250 test with 500 boldenone . The only goal is fat loss. Is it a good idea to make that change?

Have in mind that I never go off, and that I dont have dick problems in any cycle without test.

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 02:50 AM

why are you using only 250mg of test per wk?

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 03:34 AM

Because:

1. Its is a cut cycle
2. When I do higher test I have probs with tendons
3. Through experience I feel that for me low test and higher anabolics is better
4. BEcause I do year round and try to keep overal dosages low

**Swifto** · 05-06-2006, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by skg

Because:

1. Its is a cut cycle
2. When I do higher test I have probs with tendons
3. Through experience I feel that for me low test and higher anabolics is better
4. BEcause I do year round and try to keep overal dosages low

Just wait to you reach a point that your soldier wont stand to attention due to suppressive androgens and high levels of progesterone. Your labido wont be evident.

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 04:02 AM

bro, I dont have dick probs even off for months with no test at all.

even with a deca only cycle

or with tren only

so dick probs is not a parameter.

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by skg

bro, I dont have dick probs even off for months with no test at all.

even with a deca only cycle
or with tren only
so dick probs is not a parameter.

whats your cycle history?

cutting is down to diet and cardio, you can cut on more or less any AAS, diet is the key, i would of done a proper cycle with the right dosages for your level and a diet/cardio program to suit.

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 04:35 AM

Guys i am not a newbe. Been working out for 15 years and studying workouts nutrition AAS for 10 years.

The diet weights cardio r set.

Just asking for the substitution of bold instead of test.

Cycle history is mostly on (low dose) since 2000. Base of cycle is 1g bold. Most times only that with maybe 250 or 500 test. Done a couple 2 week blasts of 4g (bold+test).

I have an inj. to do! give me ur feedback on the question!!

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 04:40 AM

No i wouldnt swap bold for test, you state you have 1 injection left so why change at this late stage, tell you truth i dont understand your cycle history its sounds all messed up,

Dropping body fat is down to cardio and diet

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 04:45 AM

i dont have only 1 inj to do, just for today!

usual cycle is 1000mg boldenone

marcus can u justify your opinion in favor of test? thank you

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by skg

i dont have only 1 inj to do, just for today!

usual cycle is 1000mg boldenone

marcus can u justify your opinion in favor of test? thank you

cutting on test is ideal for me personally, i will state again, cutting and dropping bodyfat is down to diet and cardio, i always feel no matter what type of cycle your doing test should be the base, doing tren only cycles and deca only cycles shows how much research you did,

Diet and cardio with a test base cycle, if your not getting results its down to your diet and cardio, understand?

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:05 AM

Hey,

I said diet and cardio is SET. I dont know why u keep on saying that again.

Deca only was my 1st cycle (and i put 10 solid Kg without deca dick or anything). I said that I base my cycles on Bold AND 250-500 test. So read my post before you make arrogant comments.

Also I like to experiement. That includes to make a cycle without test. Thats the only way to find out what is best for ME. I v seen people doing no test cycles with incredible results.

I am here to get other experiences as well and discuss and I respect your opinion that test works for u well (and probably most other as well) but u made some arrogant comments as well without understanding what I wrote.

**rodge** · 05-06-2006, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by skg

Hey,

. So read my post before you make arrogant comments.

.

this is the right attitude to get help

he is only offering his help with this messed up cycle your running.

you say that diet is spot on, why not post an example? then we can make an judgement.

-rodge

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:21 AM

You said your goal is fat loss, answer to your goal is cardio and diet, i personally would always do a test base cycle, like i said deca only cycles and tren only cycles only tell me you didn't research before you started cycling, its not being arrogant just stating the obvious.

Best thing you can do is go ahead and do whatever you want because its plain to see your not up for taking some advice,

YOUR GOAL WAS FAT LOSS =DIET AND CARDIO WITH A TEST BASE CYCLE WILL GET YOU YOUR GOAL

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

this is the right attitude to get help

he is only offering his help with this messed up cycle your running.

you say that diet is spot on, why not post an example? then we can make an judgement.

-rodge

Thankyou Rodge,

his whole cycle history is messed up, which makes me think thats were he got his attitude from lol

**rodge** · 05-06-2006, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

YOUR GOAL WAS FAT LOSS =DIET AND CARDIO WITH A TEST BASE CYCLE WILL GET YOU YOUR GOAL

agree.

-rodge

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:26 AM

arrogant was the comment that because I have been experienting with no test cycles I have not done research.

and u just quoted part of my post, what about the part i was stating I have respect for his opinion (beyond the arrogant comment).

I am here on the anabolic forum to ask a question about my cycle. Not to get feedback about diet. But since u asked I will post it later.

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:26 AM

you just edited your post were you stated you did deca only first cycle and tren only cycle second, why?

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:29 AM

and why do u think that 1000mg boldenone with 250-500 test /week is messed up?

can u back your comment up?

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by skg

arrogant was the comment that because I have been experienting with no test cycles I have not done research.

and u just quoted part of my post, what about the part i was stating I have respect for his opinion (beyond the arrogant comment).

I am here on the anabolic forum to ask a question about my cycle. Not to get feedback about diet. But since u asked I will post it later.

food is anabolic mate, its the most important thing you can have when cycling or not,

i will answer again, your goal was fatloss, answer diet and cardio plus a test base cycle, no i wouldnt swap test for bold in your cycle.

ive answered numerous times, drop the attitude and take it in and learn,

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

you just edited your post were you stated you did deca only first cycle and tren only cycle second, why?

i added the 1st 2 lines

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by skg

and why do u think that 1000mg boldenone with 250-500 test /week is messed up?

can u back your comment up?

because you said and i quote -I am thinking about substituting the 250 test with 500 boldenone. The only goal is fat loss. Is it a good idea to make that change?
now you have change your mind again,

ive answered you , so thats the end of this circus for me, its not a inernet chatroom

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

food is anabolic mate, its the most important thing you can have when cycling or not,

i will answer again, your goal was fatloss, answer diet and cardio plus a test base cycle, no i wouldnt swap test for bold in your cycle.

ive answered numerous times, drop the attitude and take it in and learn,

thank you for your feedback.

I think we r all here to learn (beyond some misunderstandings)

Can you elaborate on why you feel that a test only cycle is best for cutting beyond the effects on your cycles (that u say were effective on you)? By what mechanisms test is better than tren or bold? Any studies?

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

because you said and i quote -I am thinking about substituting the 250 test with 500 boldenone. The only goal is fat loss. Is it a good idea to make that change?
now you have change your mind again,

ive answered you , so thats the end of this circus for me, its not a inernet chatroom

thats irrelevant on why the 1000bold with some test is a messed up cycle.

But since you do not want to elaborate on the basis of your statements and back them with mechanisms or studies that is ok.

Thank s for your feedback anyway.

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by skg

thats irrelevant on why the 1000bold with some test is a messed up cycle.

But since you do not want to elaborate on the basis of your statements and back them with mechanisms or studies that is ok.

Thank s for your feedback anyway.

can you read, look what you put, you said you was swapping test for bold, in your first post, it all messed up without doubt,

I have studies and personal experience going back over 18yrs of training/aas/diets i dont have to justify myself to you who doesn't have a clue and is not willing to learn, you carry on what you doing because you seem to have all the answers already,

best of luck

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:51 AM

Hey Bro Marcus,

I posted my question here because there r people like u with so many years of experience. I have red ALL your posts and I do admire you of your knowledge.

I have really seen people having great results on cycles without test. I know this is against the general belief here and almost everywhere and I just wanted to discuss and research evidence.

Since u got offended (without me doing something on purpose) we could discuss some other time when u dont feel offended by myself!

Good luck to u and hope we could elaborate further some other time that u dont feel like I have offended u

**Booz** · 05-06-2006, 05:51 AM

you are getting good advice from one of the best Vets on here mate............
the only one being Arrogant that i can see is you..............

**marcus300** · 05-06-2006, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Booz

you are getting good advice from one of the best Vets on here mate............
the only one being Arrogant that i can see is you..............

Amen god as spoken....my hero x

**skg** · 05-06-2006, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Booz

you are getting good advice from one of the best Vets on here mate............
the only one being Arrogant that i can see is you..............

Can u justify your opinion bro?

**Booz** · 05-06-2006, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by skg

Can u justify your opinion bro?

yes i can mate....you are being given sound advice from what i can see and you are not listening...then saying that Marcus is bein arrogant when he is purely tryin to help you...............to me that is being arrogant where you are not even klistening to what he is trying to tell you....................................
Marcus is one of the most helpfull and knowledgable bro's on here,you are lucky that he is around to help..................