Second Cycle Advice

**BigJames** · 05-09-2006, 04:34 PM

I am just about to start PCT after my first cycle (12 weeks, Test Only, 500mg/wk). I am planning ahead for round 2 - to start sometime in late fall or January / February 2007. I am thinking number two will consist of two compounds: Test and Eq. I already have the Eq (2 10cc vials, 250 mg/ml) which will last 12 weeks at 400mg/wk. I would like to stick with this amount for the Eq and bring the Test in higher than my first cycle. It seems like I did not feel much at 500mg/wk - I had good gains (put on 22 pounds before PCT) and my strength was noticebly increased, but I did not feel an raging libido or any other positive sides I had expected. I am considering doing either 600mg/wk or 750mg/wk of Test E and I am curious as to what you guys think of this...Would 600mg/wk do it? Is 750mg/wk a better choice?

Cycle would look like this:

Week 1-13 Test E 600mg or 750mg
Week 1-12 Eq 400mg
Week 1-15 Nolva 10mg ED
Week 15+ pheednos PCT

Thanks,

BigJ

**SMAN12b** · 05-09-2006, 04:37 PM

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**Booz** · 05-09-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by BigJames

I am just about to start PCT after my first cycle (12 weeks, Test Only, 500mg/wk). I am planning ahead for round 2 - to start sometime in late fall or January / February 2007. I am thinking number two will consist of two compounds: Test and Eq. I already have the Eq (2 10cc vials, 250 mg/ml) which will last 12 weeks at 400mg/wk. I would like to stick with this amount for the Eq and bring the Test in higher than my first cycle. It seems like I did not feel much at 500mg/wk - I had good gains (put on 22 pounds before PCT) and my strength was noticebly increased, but I did not feel an raging libido or any other positive sides I had expected. I am considering doing either 600mg/wk or 750mg/wk of Test E and I am curious as to what you guys think of this...Would 600mg/wk do it? Is 750mg/wk a better choice?

Cycle would look like this:

Week 1-13 Test E 600mg or 750mg
Week 1-12 Eq 400mg
Week 1-15 Nolva 10mg ED
Week 15+ pheednos PCT

Thanks,

BigJ

22lbs for your cycle is pretty good mate..............
i would stick with 600mg test and the eq...............

**Consistency** · 05-09-2006, 04:41 PM

I would not go up to 750mg yet. I would honestly stick with 500mg, but 600 is ok. If you run 600mg I would run EQ at 500mg. I usually run test and EQ at equal doses (done this twice at 500 and then 600mg). And liked it very much, since EQ is a "weaker" compound you shouldnt have to many if any sides running it equal to test. Just a thought

**BigJames** · 05-09-2006, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

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Fair enough...stats it is:

30 years old
6'1"
250 lbs
16% BF

Diet is greatly improved over the last year. I always ate a lot, but not the right food. Now I get about 265-300g protein per day and as many clean carbs as possible. I have been "bulking" more or less for the last 3 months...the carbs will come under serious control during a lean out I plan to start in 2 or 3 weeks.

Weightlifting for 15 years - more serious bb-style training since 1999

I started my first cycle (12 weeks of QV Test Cyp @ 500mg/wk) just after my 30th birthday and gained 22 pounds (pre PCT). I weighed ~230 pounds natural prior to starting.

PCT knowledge consists of weeks and weeks of research on this site and others. I would hope that the fact that I mentioned "pheednos" in the sample cycle would speak to that.

I mentioned the outcome of the cycle at the top of this thread.

No bad sides. Some test flu at the begining, but it passed. Used Nolva 10mg ED throughout my first cycle (missed a couple of days here and there) and also used some letro at the begining but found that it was unnecessary.

Goals: I want to emulate 1973-1975 Arnold Schwarenegger...I know that it a lofty goal and not something I expect to actually attain as his genes and mine are different, but that degree of mass is my ultimate goal right now.

I think this should cover everything in your link...

BigJ

**SMAN12b** · 05-09-2006, 05:09 PM

YEP, sounds great....I would go with BOOZ's thread above. no sense in uping the dose if you can still make great gains for less money!!

**BigJames** · 05-09-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

I would not go up to 750mg yet. I would honestly stick with 500mg, but 600 is ok. If you run 600mg I would run EQ at 500mg. I usually run test and EQ at equal doses (done this twice at 500 and then 600mg). And liked it very much, since EQ is a "weaker" compound you shouldnt have to many if any sides running it equal to test. Just a thought

Thanks, based on the comments from you and booz I will plan on 600mg Test with 400mg EQ.

Curious - Why not jump to 750mg/wk? I think I know the answer, I am just interested in your opinion on it.

Thx.

**SMAN12b** · 05-09-2006, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by BigJames

Thanks, based on the comments from you and booz I will plan on 600mg Test with 400mg EQ.

Curious - Why not jump to 750mg/wk? I think I know the answer, I am just interested in your opinion on it.

Thx.

Because once you go higher in dose, it is hard to go back to lower. If you stop making gains at 600 (because your body adapts to it) then you can jump it up. but if you get your body used to 750 not only more expensive, but you will more than likely have to continue on future cycles at that dose or above.....hows that ??

**BigJames** · 05-09-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

Because once you go higher in dose, it is hard to go back to lower. If you stop making gains at 600 (because your body adapts to it) then you can jump it up. but if you get your body used to 750 not only more expensive, but you will more than likely have to continue on future cycles at that dose or above.....hows that ??

Sold. Thanks SWAN12B...I appreciate the insight. I will probably stick with 600mg/wk when the time comes.