1000 or 2000mg test?

**novicenovicen** · 05-16-2006, 03:58 PM

pinnicle is the next mr O

**Dreaming2B-BIG** · 05-16-2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Who said you had too bro?Personally I never use any type antis(and I run HIGH dose cycles all the time) til I'm about to reduce my dose going into cruise mode(250 mgs).Iget BW done Bi weekly and hardly ever have an alarming results to speak of...this board is all about safety,but many ppl play it far to safe and wind up getting less than adequate results.But it all boils down to what you want to achieve ,and how badly you want it too.

~Pinnacle~

I guess thats what I get for asuming. I just thought with that much test you would need to run something with it? I guess its good your able to get by without running anything. BTW good luck with your upcoming competition.

**LatinoPR** · 05-16-2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by europeman

some people tell me you dont notice any differnce between 1 or 2 grams of test, others tell me it is al world of difference, also will the bloating be much more than with 1 gram?

and what about sust or test E? I will inject twice a week

week 1-8 1000/2000 Test E or sust
week 1-8 1000mg Tren E

week 1-4 200mg anadrol or 100/50 mg winny ject ED
week 5-10 100mg anavar
week 7-10 50mg halotestin

week 1-12 100 mg proviron ed
week 2-9 25 mcg T3 ed

Im sorry for youre liver......

SVTMuscle* · 05-16-2006, 09:10 PM

he just turned 21....and he's already using grams of test..

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-16-2006, 09:34 PM

too high of a dose for my liking and to much time on orals, a gram is as high as i would go, i never saw a difference from 1 gram to 1.5 grams, but like many have said, at 2 grams you may see better results,but the sides will be high IMO

***BajanBastard*** · 05-16-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

too high of a dose for my liking and to much time on orals, a gram is as high as i would go, i never saw a difference from 1 gram to 1.5 grams, but like many have said, at 2 grams you may see better results,but the sides will be high IMO

That's what i never understood, 1.5g test does not produce significant gains over 1g yet when the test is bumped to 2g+ by the same individual the 'magic' happens.

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-16-2006, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

That's what i never understood, 1.5g test does not produce significant gains over 1g yet when the test is bumped to 2g+ by the same individual the 'magic' happens.

from my own experince i know that 1.5 is no different that 1 gram, i never tried2 and never plan on doing so i guess i will never know if this is a myth or if it is true. there has to be some truth behind this or the pro BBers wouldnt go over a gram and from what i understand 3-4 grams is a normal for the top level MR-o competitors.

**Swifto** · 05-17-2006, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

from my own experince i know that 1.5 is no different that 1 gram, i never tried2 and never plan on doing so i guess i will never know if this is a myth or if it is true. there has to be some truth behind this or the pro BBers wouldnt go over a gram and from what i understand 3-4 grams is a normal for the top level MR-o competitors.

Probably more...

**Warrior** · 05-17-2006, 09:43 AM

What makes everyone think the pros are doing so much gear? I have read candid interviews where they think that a lot of the guys on the message boards are using more than they are...

Personally, I don't see how you can last very long in the game throwing your endocrine system so far off balance and stacking a lot of ethylated compounds... it doesn't necessarily take a lot of gear to make a successful pro - it takes some phenomenal genetics and a lot of professional guidence... with the gear

Maybe I am just being nieve... but if I had been born with some great meso-type genes for bodybuilding and access to the right guidence, I'd still throw in the towell at the national/state level if my procard meant taking AAS stacks over 2 grams per week...

**the hulkster** · 05-17-2006, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Yeah but bro you are running orals for along time/duration.I guess I'm not one to speak though as I've ran anadrol for 10 week at 200 mgs Ed a few times.

I'd drop the var and give you liver a week break(between the drol and halo) then resume with the halo.I'm about to do very similar shortly as well.Doses are about the same too,except I'm running 4.5 g of Test..and yes you do see a BIg difference at higher doses.Not that 4.5 g wkly is all that high(to me anyway)

Good luck man

~Pinnacle~

Holy ****, that would mean you would be pokin in 2 10 ml bottles a week, you must be a rich SOB, and how long ago did you say goodbye to the ol boys down there. At that you must be HUGE Pin....

**Booz** · 05-17-2006, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

from my own experince i know that 1.5 is no different that 1 gram, i never tried2 and never plan on doing so i guess i will never know if this is a myth or if it is true. there has to be some truth behind this or the pro BBers wouldnt go over a gram and from what i understand 3-4 grams is a normal for the top level MR-o competitors.

i will let you know doc........
im 1.5 weeks in on 2g's test plus other oils that comes to 3.1g plus orals........
will let you know if i se any "magic".......................

**vitor** · 05-17-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

i will let you know doc........
im 1.5 weeks in on 2g's test plus other oils that comes to 3.1g plus orals........
will let you know if i se any "magic".......................

Will you let me know to Booz?

You Pm-ed your cycle some time ago, I think you should make some big gains on that one.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-17-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Will you let me know to Booz?

You Pm-ed your cycle some time ago, I think you should make some big gains on that one.

Booz never Pmed me his cycle

Muppet

BG · 05-17-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Will you let me know to Booz?

You Pm-ed your cycle some time ago, I think you should make some big gains on that one.

Pretty sic summer cycle it is.

**Booz** · 05-17-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Booz never Pmed me his cycle

Muppet

wassup Kermit...........you wanna see my lil summer cycle....your mate Nark has.........

**Alex_Skachko** · 05-17-2006, 02:13 PM

When I crazy, not before time take urine and sperm, I use Sust many time 2000mg and aome time 5000mg. I was MONSTER when 5000mg!!!!!!!!! I loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's SUPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My english not good, I can't tell so you understand. 5000mg and 2000mg - difference!!!!

You know, also I do metandrostenalon, 30 tabletts day. At night I wake up every hour and take one tablett.

I love big dose!! It work, my bench + 20 kilo on 5000mg sust. from 245 to 265!

**novicenovicen** · 05-17-2006, 02:20 PM

I must be really gyno prone. I don't understand how you can run mega doses and see no probs.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-17-2006, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Alex_Skachko

When I crazy, not before time take urine and sperm, I use Sust many time 2000mg and aome time 5000mg. I was MONSTER when 5000mg!!!!!!!!! I loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's SUPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My english not good, I can't tell so you understand. 5000mg and 2000mg - difference!!!!

You know, also I do metandrostenalon, 30 tabletts day. At night I wake up every hour and take one tablett.

I love big dose!! It work, my bench + 20 kilo on 5000mg sust. from 245 to 265!

Well Alex you could have leftout that little detail. 5000mg of sust is really pushing it though.

**vitor** · 05-17-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Well Alex you could have leftout that little detail. 5000mg of sust is really pushing it though.

LOL, "urine" and "sperm"???

One sick puppy.....

**brundle** · 05-17-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Alex_Skachko

It work, my bench + 20 kilo on 5000mg sust. from 245 to 265!

thats like 580 pounds on bench press

**brundle** · 05-17-2006, 02:34 PM

i'd be happy with that

**Booz** · 05-17-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Alex_Skachko

When I crazy, not before time take urine and sperm, I use Sust many time 2000mg and aome time 5000mg. I was MONSTER when 5000mg!!!!!!!!! I loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's SUPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My english not good, I can't tell so you understand. 5000mg and 2000mg - difference!!!!

You know, also I do metandrostenalon, 30 tabletts day. At night I wake up every hour and take one tablett.

I love big dose!! It work, my bench + 20 kilo on 5000mg sust. from 245 to 265!

not again.....................

SVTMuscle* · 05-17-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

not again.....................

haha this guy HAS to be a troll..

**SwoleCat** · 05-17-2006, 04:18 PM

Forget taking urine and sperm, what you need to take is your hairy ass back to the rubber room funny farm.

There is a reason you're one in a million, but it ain't good.

~SC~

**Pinnacle** · 05-18-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior

What makes everyone think the pros are doing so much gear? I have read candid interviews where they think that a lot of the guys on the message boards are using more than they are...

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Nothing for nothing but I know a few top level pros as I've been fortunate enough to be introduced awhile back.One is a VERY high level competitor as you'd know his name since he was in the top 10 the last Mr O and trains but 10 miles from my house.
Anyway,you are sadly mistaken if you think pros use small amounts of gear.That isn't the case bY any means.Maybe a few said this and that in some shiny magazine,but truth is they (at least most of them) use huge amounts of gear since it's needed.As we all know you acquire a tolerance to anabolics like ANY OTHER DRUG..

To each is own when making decissions about gear usage.Some(like myself) want things bad enough we'll/they'll do whatever it takes.If 5g of test is needed to see results,then that's what I'll use.

To vitor...you are incorrect in your statements in regards to sided ect.My estrogen levels aren't one bit higher on my doses than that of someone running 500 mgs wkly.I also get NO SIDES at all running high dose gear. I also get checked evry 2 weeks while on cycle(3 docs in total..yes that's right..3),so I can back up all my claims bro..can you? or are you just guessing?Like I said earlier on,ones body get used to drugs,just like that of a wine-0 or heroin addict...

~Pinnacle~

**vitor** · 05-18-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

To vitor...you are incorrect in your statements in regards to sided ect.My estrogen levels aren't one bit higher on my doses than that of someone running 500 mgs wkly.I also get NO SIDES at all running high dose gear. I also get checked evry 2 weeks while on cycle(3 docs in total..yes that's right..3),so I can back up all my claims bro..can you? or are you just guessing?Like I said earlier on,ones body get used to drugs,just like that of a wine-0 or heroin addict...

~Pinnacle~

Yeah I agree, and I wasnt really refering to you, yust your dosages...Ones body get used to gear, like you said, and you can probaly run these dosages now without elvating your estrogen-levels to much. I dont think you could when you where younger and had less expirience with drugs, though...

I yust think that some people are much more prone to estrogen-related sides than others. (A buddy of mine got gyno from running Test,250mgs ew.)

I know if I had run your dosages, without an AI, I would have carried more water than the "atlantic-ocean" mostly b/c of the increased estrogen-levels. We all respond diffrently...

**Pinnacle** · 05-18-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

. I dont think you could when you where younger and had less expirience with drugs, though...

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I agree with you totally bro.At least from the stand point of lesser experience with anabolics.But the more I've used them over the years,the less sides I get.Now,I practically don't get any sides at all.I mean NONE bro..right now running 4.5 g of test(coming into week 5) I'm dry as a bone.But I did start my cycle at 4 % BF,so I had no fat on my torso to retain water at all.I'm sitting at around 5 % right now and having a real hard time putting on wieght(fat that is) a small amount of muscle has been acquired thus far.Not that I'm looking for all that much anyway.I'm really looking to thicken up a few areas before descending into the cutting portion of the cycle,heading into the comp(show).

~Pinnacle~

SVTMuscle* · 05-18-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

Forget taking urine and sperm, what you need to take is your hairy ass back to the rubber room funny farm.

There is a reason you're one in a million, but it ain't good.

~SC~

the swole has spoken

**Warrior** · 05-18-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Nothing for nothing but I know a few top level pros as I've been fortunate enough to be introduced awhile back.One is a VERY high level competitor as you'd know his name since he was in the top 10 the last Mr O and trains but 10 miles from my house.
Anyway,you are sadly mistaken if you think pros use small amounts of gear.That isn't the case bY any means.Maybe a few said this and that in some shiny magazine,but truth is they (at least most of them) use huge amounts of gear since it's needed.As we all know you acquire a tolerance to anabolics like ANY OTHER DRUG..

To each is own when making decissions about gear usage.Some(like myself) want things bad enough we'll/they'll do whatever it takes.If 5g of test is needed to see results,then that's what I'll use.

Just some interviews I have read - one was in a book, some in mags and a few online... here and there. I have bumped into a few pros but never got to the level where they would lay out their drug use let alone tell me their favorite color

It's probably quite a personal prescription thing anyway...

But what about Ronnie - didn't he sware he got up to the nationals without any gear - then got jacked for his procard? Prolly just trying to save face 'cause he was a cop during that time...

I know it takes a lot of gear to get as jacked as jacked as the Olympians but I think it is also important to note that more and more drugs won't put anyone in Cutler's shoes one day. It takes a lot more than just simply increasing gear use... like phenomenal genetics and a lot of professional assistance - which I am sure you are familiar with...

I don't understand how you can acquire a tolarnece to AAS like "any other drug"... especially to testosterone , which is endogenous and not foreign to the body. If you build a tollernance to testosterone - you'd be fuked if you ever came off cycle.

Anabolic steroids are quite powerful little hormones - not some cold medication. I think the "tolerance" is more a perception to gains issue... the bigger you get, the harder it is to keep packing on noticable size while maintaining current musculature...