1-TU/4AD/PCT cycle Please Critique

**Kristofer68ss** · 05-23-2006, 07:16 PM

Please critique my 6 week cycle and PCT.

I have this stuff from before the ban...I didnt want to use it when i bought it..I did not have the experience. Now i believe i do.

I am 34 years old 175 pounds 5'10" not sure on BF...Been lifting for 1.5 years religiously. Prior to that sparatic, but still dabbled with the weights nearly every year all the way back into my teens, for at least 3 months at time( prior to summer

usually.

Week 1-6
200 mg of 1TU ED( 3 times a day with meals)4 pills
600 mg of Transdermal 4AD( 300mg AM 8ish am/ 300mg after work 6pm ish)ED
200mg of Hawthorne Berry ED( split AM/PM)
.5mg of Liquidex EOD
3G of Vitamin C ED
Animal Pak 1 pack ED
Prostate Plus 4 Caps ED
AX Perfect Cycle Liver support Label Dosage ED
At least 3200 Calories a day. Clean.. chicken, lean meat, clean vegs fruit, white fish, etc.
Nutrex CGL recd dose post workout

PCT cycle
Clomid/Nolva
Day 1 200mg Clomid 40mg Nolva
Day2-14 100mg Clomid 40mg Nolva
Day15-end 50mg Clomid 20mg Nolva

Please critique gentlemen. I can even take a flame or too. please tell me if i am missing anything or should do it differently. I have been searching my ass off for the last 6 months on this topic.

Thanks in advance

PS. I am hoping to gain 10-15 pounds in this 10 week cycle AND keep it. Is this possible?

PS. I am using the basic starting strength program for this cycle, since that was the program I started may of this year. Doing a 3 day split. mwf

**Kristofer68ss** · 05-24-2006, 06:33 PM

i know these arent steroids , but for the guys that have used 1tu or 4ad in the past, please speak up.

thanks again.

shoud this thread be in another forum????

**cmax** · 05-26-2006, 02:45 PM

A couple of things...

1) You might want to try taking the 4-AD transdermally rather than orally.

With oral 4-AD only around 5% is absorbed and with transdermal 4-AD over 15% is absorbed. So it's more than 3x as effective taken the transdermal route.

Only a fraction of the absorbed 4-AD will be converted directly into test.

Taking small amounts of 4-AD orally is useless. For the oral route to be effective you need to take way more 4-AD and in doing this you run the risk of causing other side effects caused by the oral processing of the 4-AD.

2) I would use an anti-e during and proper pct afterwards. I would use something like liquidex as the anti-e rather than 6-oxo or RXT. However, many will say that this is unnecessary and they might be right.

1-TU doesn't aromatse and is very androgenic so you don't have to worry too much about estrogen related sides with 1-TU. 4-AD does not convert to estrogen itself, but its target testosterone does. So you might want to take an anti-e to prevent any sides from the 4-AD. However, this is probably minimal so 6-oxo or RXT may be enought. I always like to play it safe by taking a low dosage of a-dex like .25 mg/mL ED. Some say that this may hinder gains slightly, but I would much rather protect myself from potential side effects.

3) The 1-TU is supposedly not harsh on the liver and they say it "by passes the liver". I don't know the accuracy Nutrex's claim. However the 4-AD taken orally will definitely be hard on the liver, that's another reason why should take it transdermally rather than orally.

If you do take the 4-AD orally be sure to take Thistle Milk and other liver detox substances. Red Yeast Rice to maintain healthy cholesterol levels, etc.

Other than that your cycle looks good. 1-TU is definitely good stuff. It's completely realistic to gain 10-15 lbs from this cycle if your diet is in check.

I would focus on turning that 4-AD into a transdermal. Do search for making transdermal 4-AD... I also believe that Dermabolics makes a transdermal transport matrix ideal for making a transdermal 4-AD mix.

Talk to some of the guys in the supplements forum about making transdermal 4-AD. Bryan3, MacrophalgeAlpha69, and Prolangtum seem to be the experts on this.

**Kristofer68ss** · 05-26-2006, 06:40 PM

thank you very much for the advice.

now i am on a quest to make a transdermal.

i found this transport post
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ansport+matrix

I have heard to do 1 gram transdermal ED....For six weeks i have enough for 600mg ED.

Should i just run 1g the last 4ish weeks or run 600mg through the whole cycle?

From the math they gave in that post. A 4oz bottle of matrix will yield me 10 days at 600mg.
So i will need 4-4oz or 2-8ox. 15 sprays a day... 5 sprays=200mg....

Damn i am confused...Time to start another post i guess...

**cmax** · 05-28-2006, 01:28 AM

I would run 600mg ED through out the entire 6 week cycle. You are stacking the 4-AD with 1-TU so 600mg taken transdermally should be enough to supplement your cycle of 1-TU. Nutrex 1-TU is stronger than Ergopharm 1-AD which is what most people take with 4-AD so you should see decent gains even though you are taking 600mg ED rather than 1000 mg ED.

As far as the transport matrix goes you can either buy 4-4oz bottles for $9.99 a bottle or 2-8oz bottles for $14.99 a bottle. I would buy the larger 8 oz size.

You are right 5 sprays=200 mg so you want to do 15 sprays ED. Be sure to shake the bottle well before each application.

I might do a similar cycle sometime soon. I still have a few bottles of 1-TU and 500 grams of 4-AD stashed away. However, I have been leaning more towards Test Cypionate and Deca -Durabolin lately. So I don't know if I will ever go back to prohormones again.

**cmax** · 05-28-2006, 02:03 AM

I just read your other thread in the Supplements Forum and I did not know that your 4-AD was pill/capsule form. I thought that you were using the Bulk 4-AD powder similar to what they used to sell on Bulk Nutrition.

You CANNOT turn any brand name 4-AD pills or capsules into a transdermal. They use fillers and other substances in these pills to assist in the oral delivery and digestion of the 4-AD.

These fillers will prevent the 4-AD from being effective and could be harmful when taken through the skin. So don't even try this route, just take them orally.

**Kristofer68ss** · 05-28-2006, 11:12 AM

thank you so much CMAX. i had read another post about fillers being toxic. I was going to contact the manufacturer in regards to inactive ingredients since it doesnt have them on the label. I assume ALL pills, tablets,capsules have some form of filler in them.

I also sent you a PM cmax.

thanks again for all the advice.

**Kristofer68ss** · 06-19-2006, 04:18 PM

Getting closer to D Day, I have edited the original post for more accuracy.

Any and all advice is still greatly appreciated.

**Kristofer68ss** · 07-17-2006, 06:51 PM

beginning Day 1 Week 2.

Weight is the same, 177.

Strength back to normal(2 weeks off prior to cycle).

Libido is same or better.

Trying to stuff down more than 3000 cals with chicken, rice and taters is not easy. I am trying though.
I have to add two shakes a day to get the cals.
Will try to eat better as a daily goal.

I have made some changes to my first post. I have edited them in.

I will keep posting results.

ALso, my buddy just injured himself in week 6(i think) of a test/dbol cycle. So i am trying my hardest, but will not lose form to gain poundage.

**Kristofer68ss** · 07-30-2006, 04:06 PM

fast forward Day 22

week 2 started feeling Tu
From day 1 i felt the 4ad, definately helps libido.

Strength up, weight up 3 pounds, i have dropped a couple in fat, more definition, tighter muscles. More than just placebo, thats for sure.

ALot can be from diet change.

ALL is good.

Trying to eat like a horse, CLEAN. thats alot of chicken, rice, tater and oatmeal.

so far scoring around 3500-3700 cals a day....

**Kristofer68ss** · 07-31-2006, 06:48 PM

Day 24 beginning of Week 4.

Excellent workout again. Took my whole 600mg 4ad an hour or so before workout.

Poundage at or above. Working strictly on form and tempo. I like to see the poundage go up, but i get a better pump with form and tempo. My 2 cents.

Weight is at 179, I would like to see the weight go up. However i am happy with the fat that is leaving my mid section. before I get ripped for a high BF%, i am 33 years old and it tends to want to hang there more than anywhere. The rest of my body is fairly lean. I am NO ally mcbeal, but im far from butterbean!

Even in the heat, i had a good workout. this stuff works. too bad its off the shelves....bastages!!

I can see why papi loved this 4ad.....

not sure im am going to see 10 pounds scale weight...i still have 3 weeks though.

**Kristofer68ss** · 08-04-2006, 07:18 PM

Day 28

Excellent workout again.
Weight up to 182
Made all lifts and did extra reps.
Hoping to get another couple pounds in each weeks 5 and 6.

**Kristofer68ss** · 08-09-2006, 07:16 PM

Day 34

Weight up to 184

Kind of surprised when i got on the scale, especially how hot and humid its been. I sweat like a hog all day, so i try to keep the water intake in the sweet spot. Stay hydrated, yet not bloat or load up with water.

Anyway, poundages up on squat, deads, and bench. Really good workout again, even without my slackin ass partner.

pumps are good, sleeping just fine. friggin, I get wood for 4-6 hours straight at nite when i am sleeping. Thats not totally out of the ordinary though. Libido is the same or better, thanks to the 4ad i presume.

eating as much as i can and as clean as i can. I think i will see another couple pounds in the last week.

so far 7 pounds....

**Kristofer68ss** · 08-12-2006, 08:40 PM

Day 36 ish. I messed up on the days somewhere.lol

Anyway, I am updating for Friday August 11th, nearing then end of Week 5.

Weight up to 185
Good work out as usual.
Made all lifts, burn tris and bis out real good.
Alot of supersets.

I am hoping to get another 2 pounds the last week.

So far all numbers in falling into place.

**Kristofer68ss** · 08-18-2006, 06:50 PM

Last day of cycle. Weighed in at 184 today.
So, 7 pounds in 6 weeks, my waist size didnt change a bit. Last time I hit 181-ish, My waist in my pants was getting tight.
So, IMO. I did put on around 10 pounds. 7 weight and a couple, three in fat loss.
Begin PCT on sunday.

Bench up 20 pounds
Squat up 15 pounds
Deads up 25 pounds
Press up 15 pounds

If i didnt maintain strict form, I stayed with the weight. I made alot of the reps, but didnt always have perfect form.

I will post again at end of PCT.

Then Take off until Jan 07 and do another cycle. Most likely a 1ad, 4ad, Ldex 6 weeker.