**Testosterone PROPIONATE: The ULTIMATE Testosterone!**

**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by ( Ross )

Turinavar should be ran :

50mgs Anavar / 50 mgs Turinabol . This is the Original ration I used in my formula, and it is the same ratio that certain UGL's now use.

I would not run the Turinabol higher than 60, no higher than 80 on the Var.

[R]

wise to run proviron throughout and pct?

**SMAN12b** · 05-26-2006, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by ( Ross )

Dianavar, (D-Var) is GREAT! Have used it many times, primarily for BULKING. The Turinavar (T-var) is better for cutting.

[R]

I think you should rename it though. to DianaRoss-var...lolol sorry couldn't resist.....

***BajanBastard*** · 05-26-2006, 10:14 PM

I don't mean any of you guys in particular, ok a small bit or AR history (I may be AR longest active member

) There was a dude here who went by the name Da_Bull, cool dude to some, mean to others, had over 10k post with about 80% being 'lmao!' 'lol' and 'bro' he was never a member of staff here but the man had a following like Jesus. He would post his huge 2-3g test cycle with lot of GH, halo etc and the people loved him. Hell he even was admin at another board. Then he and a MOD here scammed people here and on different boards and disappeared. Then under closer inspection the man joined and went from asking how to inject test cyp to running 2g test and shit in under a year. Yeah, real believable.
A lot of MODS and VETS on these forums have there own little niche, some are 'experts' in mega-dose cycles, one particular drug etc and they have people hanging from their nuts like they are the steroid messiah. Funny.

**( Ross )** · 05-26-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

wise to run proviron throughout and pct?

Proviron SHOULD be added, but not necessitated. Turinabol increases libido, and Estrogen from the Turinabol should not get too high(YES, turinabol aromatizes slightly)

Adding Proviron would be the smarter move.

And during PCT--a MUST!

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**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by ( Ross )

Proviron SHOULD be added, but not necessitated. Turinabol increases libido, and Estrogen from the Turinabol should not get too high(YES, turinabol aromatizes slightly)

Adding Proviron would be the smarter move.

And during PCT--a MUST!

[R]

thats what i thought and read.. thanks

**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

I don't mean any of you guys in particular, ok a small bit or AR history (I may be AR longest active member

) There was a dude here who went by the name Da_Bull, cool dude to some, mean to others, had over 10k post with about 80% being 'lmao!' 'lol' and 'bro' he was never a member of staff here but the man had a following like Jesus. He would post his huge 2-3g test cycle with lot of GH, halo etc and the people loved him. Hell he even was admin at another board. Then he and a MOD here scammed people here and on different boards and disappeared. Then under closer inspection the man joined and went from asking how to inject test cyp to running 2g test and shit in under a year. Yeah, real believable.
A lot of MODS and VETS on these forums have there own little niche, some are 'experts' in mega-dose cycles, one particular drug etc and they have people hanging from their nuts like they are the steroid messiah. Funny.

I see and agree with what your saying bro..

***BajanBastard*** · 05-26-2006, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by ( Ross )

Proviron SHOULD be added, but not necessitated. Turinabol increases libido, and Estrogen from the Turinabol should not get too high(YES, turinabol aromatizes slightly)

Adding Proviron would be the smarter move.

And during PCT--a MUST!

[R]

I'm not sure about that one, the chloro-group added to the test should pervent aromatiztion.

**( Ross )** · 05-26-2006, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

I'm not sure about that one, the chloro-group added to the test should pervent aromatiztion.

NOPE--

The 4-Chloro modification INHIBITS aromatization--it does NOT eliminate it...here is an article I wrote..

Hold...lemme find..

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**( Ross )** · 05-26-2006, 10:23 PM

The BIGGEST Misconception is that Oral-Turinabol does not aromatize--THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Oral-Turinabol(Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)DOES convert to estrogen

The 4-chloro alteration INHIBITS aromatization but does not ELIMINATE it. At 80mgs--have Arimidex or another AI at your disposal.**

The typical dosage should range between 40-60mgs, with 80mgs being the highest dosage I would reccomend.

*Side effects include:

Headaches
Increased Blood Pressure
Nose Bleeds
Extreme Gastrointestinal Distress
Water Retention and Gyno in higher dosages
Anxiety

For bulking purposes it is less than ideal, but combined with testosterone , Trenbolone , Nadrolone, or even Primobolan , A significant buildup of lean mass can be aquired in a short period of time.

Weeks 1-8: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate , 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Nandrolone Deconate, 400mgs EW
Weeks 1-10: Proviron , 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Arimidex, .4mgs ED

Turinabol is suitable for cutting stages, as it only aromatizes slightly, due to the 4-chloro alteration I discussed. It also increases vascularity and muscle hardness, so adding it to a stack of Primobolan/Masteron /Amavar would be utterly complimentary. A cutting cycle would be:

Weeks 1-8: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 500mgs EW
Weeks 4-10: Masteron, 400mgs EW
Weeks 1-10: Proviron, 50mgs ED

For more information on my Turinabol/Anavar stack, search: "Turinabol + Anavar = Ultimate Stack".

**fLgAtOr** · 05-26-2006, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

I don't mean any of you guys in particular, ok a small bit or AR history (I may be AR longest active member

) There was a dude here who went by the name Da_Bull, cool dude to some, mean to others, had over 10k post with about 80% being 'lmao!' 'lol' and 'bro' he was never a member of staff here but the man had a following like Jesus. He would post his huge 2-3g test cycle with lot of GH, halo etc and the people loved him. Hell he even was admin at another board. Then he and a MOD here scammed people here and on different boards and disappeared. Then under closer inspection the man joined and went from asking how to inject test cyp to running 2g test and shit in under a year. Yeah, real believable.
A lot of MODS and VETS on these forums have there own little niche, some are 'experts' in mega-dose cycles, one particular drug etc and they have people hanging from their nuts like they are the steroid messiah. Funny.

I remember...

***BajanBastard*** · 05-26-2006, 10:30 PM

T-bol’s parent hormone chlorotestosteorne does not aromatize as far as i know. You have proof to back up this claim?

Oh and that last cycle, the masteron /proviron combo is a redundant one.

**hauss man** · 05-26-2006, 10:32 PM

wouldnt you want to run the prop longer than the deca ?

**( Ross )** · 05-26-2006, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

T-bol’s parent hormone chlorotestosteorne does not aromatize as far as i know. You have proof to back up this claim?

Oh and that last cycle, the masteron/proviron combo is a redundant one.

PRIMO/TURINABOL /MASTERON --the PROVIRON is ONLY added as there is an absense of TEST--ergo, it's use is justified.

ALSO--you DO know that Proviron and Masteron are two COMPLETELY different compounds? Masteron is Drostanalone and Proviron is Mesterlone. They sound alike, but they do not behave the same way.

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**( Ross )** · 05-26-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

T-bol’s parent hormone chlorotestosteorne does not aromatize as far as i know. You have proof to back up this claim?

Oh and that last cycle, the masteron/proviron combo is a redundant one.

There is Chloro-Dehydro-Methyl-testosterone . You are forgetting about several important groups.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-26-2006, 10:44 PM

It's just an added methyl group, the aromatization or lack thereof is still the same.

**( Ross )** · 05-26-2006, 10:45 PM

the 4-CHLORO ALTERATION(the one we AGREE on) does NOT COMPLETELY eliminate aromatization--it simply inhibits it--much like Boldenone , but even slighter.

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**fitguy** · 05-26-2006, 10:50 PM

actually i dont find a good reason to ban you ross,you aint dangerous to the board members at least you have some experience unless some other guys like tank 2005 who gives advice and he is still a newbie ,you can say your theories as you want but to follow it or not ,its our decision to take...
ps ; i am thinking that you maybe dangerous to the vets not the members ,just my thought...peace

**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 10:53 PM

i see he was banned

**SMAN12b** · 05-26-2006, 10:54 PM

What did we miss

**Merc..** · 05-26-2006, 10:55 PM

They got the old mind of ross.. Excitement is over guys!!!

**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 10:56 PM

until the next time..

**BEER WHORE** · 05-26-2006, 10:56 PM

ross is that you in the avvy

**kdrkid81** · 05-26-2006, 10:57 PM

does he have like a lifetime ban or something, cause seriously the guy did nothing wrong this time, i dunno about past experiences with him but i think he gave pretty good advice these past few hours

**BEER WHORE** · 05-26-2006, 10:57 PM

what kinda of prop you got Ross?

**SMAN12b** · 05-26-2006, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

until the next time..

He does seem to always find a way to come back.....just like herpes.....lolol

Until next time ross.
take care

**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by kdrkid81

does he have like a lifetime ban or something, cause seriously the guy did nothing wrong this time, i dunno about past experiences with him but i think he gave pretty good advice these past few hours

its a past thing..

**Liftnainez** · 05-26-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

He does seem to always find a way to come back.....just like herpes.....lolol

Until next time ross.
take care

lol yea he'll be back..

**HORSE~** · 05-26-2006, 11:08 PM

Damn it I pased on p(ussy tp read this!!

Sea YA NEXT TIME ROSS!!!!

**Merc..** · 05-26-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by horse2006

Damn it I pased on p(ussy tp read this!!

Sea YA NEXT TIME ROSS!!!!

Dam man you are defiently in the ross fan club! HAHA!! Yea he will find a way back he always does!!!

***Narkissos*** · 05-26-2006, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by hauss man

Big k.l.g. i am not sure but i thought injecting prop twice daily was more desireable for blood level stability

Nope.. that's suspension you're talking about...

I run prop ED or EOD..

That wouldn't make any sense if prop's half-life was 8 hours.. would it?

**BADASS323** · 05-26-2006, 11:30 PM

why was he banned?

***Narkissos*** · 05-26-2006, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by kdrkid81

does he have like a lifetime ban or something, cause seriously the guy did nothing wrong this time, i dunno about past experiences with him but i think he gave pretty good advice these past few hours

Maybe you aren't aware of the rules.. but i'll fill in the blanks.

Once banned.. you're banned.

Rejoining under another account.. which 'Ross' has done countless times, warrants being re-banned.

It's simple

Narkissos