Deca Hgh And Win

[xxedixxes]

i would like to build a cycle with these 3 steroids anyone have any input? or tell me its a bad idea...

[Xtralarg]

If you design one then we will tweek it for you.

[xxedixxes]

well i found a basic deca /win cycle on the site i ordered the stuff from i just have no idea how to work the HGH into it

[longhorn814]

what are you stats, cycle experience etc? We need that before we can help

[xxedixxes]

i have taken everything besides steroids ... boosters no explode all that shit i weigh 205 havent done measurements in months... i have wanted to take steroids for a few years... im 19 btw... im just now deciding to do so because i am now at the point that i know enough about them to start taking them... i have been talking to doctors and bodybuilders and im learning what to do and what not to do and im studying the cycling stuff but id rather consult people with experience rather than people with book knowledge so thats why im here

[Xtralarg]

well i found a basic deca/win cycle on the site i ordered the stuff from i just have no idea how to work the HGH into it

I would strongly urge you to do your own research into your planned cycle, adapt it to suit you best and then ask us to give our two penneth. I feel this is the best way for you to learn about what you are putting into your body and how to optimise its performance.

[Xtralarg]

If you are 19 then i would advise you to stay away from hgh,aas etc for a good few years.

[xxedixxes]

well ive been reading about hgh and i have learned that it have benefits to your skin and thats why i really wanna take it, my skin is ****ed up and yah thats why in my first post i asked if it was a bad idea. the thing is with all these products the websites dont list side effects, the hgh it says its ok for your liver, heart, skin, actually kelps your joints... whats the down side? it even says it doesnt stop your body from making test. i am a certified personal trainer and im in school to be a physical therapist so i understand working out right and eating right i just dont know so much about all of this stuff... can you recommend a place to do more research?

[LatinoPR]

19 y/o....hmmmmmm.IMO i think it's not time for aas,....for now.But you all ready order your stuff,so be sure what the hell you are doing.....BTW where is your PCT ???...

[xxedixxes]

lol whats a PCT?... and i havent ordered yet and if i ever order anything and decide i dont wanna use it i get my money back so its kool anyway... the cycle on the site just has deca and winny... is that bad?

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

damn, not knowing pct your gunna get flamed. haha. i AM 19 and 240lbs, 6'5 9%bf. I wanted to use but they say to stay away. I mean you are a big boy so you should let your genetics unfold.

I know 20x as much about em as you. I have seen cycles, made them for people, monitored them, and even given shots.

read up for 2 years, train hard while doing so, and tell us whats up. peace bruther

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

i hope you aint using dekka or winni. some bullshit legal roids. i seen lots that are bogus. dekka, winni, anadrall, dianaball. they are shit, pure shit

[xxedixxes]

the thing is that i use to be 250 and i lost a ton of weight and i work out so much and im just not getting results and i know when people hear that on forums they think im not working out right but i know how to work out... and when you say stay away you mean from roids or from hgh? and yah i dont know what a pct is... im here to learn... i wont take anything until i know it inside and out...

[xxedixxes]

well my friend was 160 about a year and a half ago and took deca and now hes about 200 and i hear its a good place to start since it has low side effects so thats why i wanna use it...

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

First rule, first cycle should be test only. 500mg a week of test e, 2 shots a week, monday 250mg, thursday 250mg a day.

2 weeks after last shot start your pct. which should consist of things like clomid or nolva.

calories need to be 5000 minimum, for your weight i would say 6000-8000. i usually eat 6000 when bulking without usng anything.

workouts must be intense and very very hard, no slacking.

watch for gyno, hair loss, and other shit.

also you will get bloated more than likely. ohh and no one usually bulk til they have about 10%-12% bf or so, other wise you will gain fat more, or at least some tend to.

[dangeroussafety]

well my friend was 160 about a year and a half ago and took deca and now hes about 200 and i hear its a good place to start since it has low side effects so thats why i wanna use it...

i had the same mindset as you a few days ago...the experienced guys on here will lead you towards a testosterone only first cycle though...and either way...you are not ready...i know it sucks i'm dealin with the same crap "wait wait blah blah you're 70-80 mg's a week of test are better than 500 mg's a week" trust me but just gut it out a few more years it will be worth it

[Bigmax]

Guy bottom line is you have no biz doing AAS point blank.You're too young and have no clue on whats what.Do some research and train and eat properly and trust me you will put a good amount of muscle on.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

205lbs, 425g protein, 800g carbs or more, 110 g fat. make sure 30g oif sat. fat a day max. and the rest should be good fats like dha efa, ***** 3-6-9, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated.

food with good fats are fish oil, salmon, flax seed, almonds, pb.

[cfiler]

lol whats a PCT?... and i havent ordered yet and if i ever order anything and decide i dont wanna use it i get my money back so its kool anyway... the cycle on the site just has deca and winny... is that bad?

Put your flame suit on, because here it comes.

DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT RUNNING AAS. You need to research ALOT more. PCT is needed for every cycle.

Flame over.

Train naturally for the next two years, and spend that time researching, and planning. Perfect your training and diet. AAS is not something to rush into,
or do half-assed.

[Bigmax]

i had the same mindset as you a few days ago...the experienced guys on here will lead you towards a testosterone only first cycle though...and either way...you are not ready...i know it sucks i'm dealin with the same crap "wait wait blah blah you're 70-80 mg's a week of test are better than 500 mg's a week" trust me but just gut it out a few more years it will be worth it

you're 100% right its worth it....grow as much as you can naturally first then you can consider doing something.But to do it at such a young age cause someone else is doing it is just plain stupid.

[xxedixxes]

well so many people at my gym are my age and use them i just dont understand... so just take test? do i still need a pct? can someone explain what a pct does? i have never slacked on a workout because thats a waste and im already bald lol so i dont care abour hair loss... why start with test only? i dont want you guys to just tell me WHAT to do but tell me WHY im doing it

[xxedixxes]

well so many people at my gym are my age and use them i just dont understand... so just take test? do i still need a pct? can someone explain what a pct does? i have never slacked on a workout because thats a waste and im already bald lol so i dont care abour hair loss... why start with test only? i dont want you guys to just tell me WHAT to do but tell me WHY im doing it

i have grown as much as i am going to naturally... i dont think my body makes much test onits own...

[Bigmax]

205lbs, 425g protein, 800g carbs or more, 110 g fat. make sure 30g oif sat. fat a day max. and the rest should be good fats like dha efa, ***** 3-6-9, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated.

food with good fats are fish oil, salmon, flax seed, almonds, pb.

if you want to advise him on diet thats fine bro...but dont tell him to do something like AAs right now...did you read his age????you're not helping him bro.

[dangeroussafety]

go read up on the PCT forum its a few ones below this one...there should be some basic stickies in there...and just read around do some searches on first cycle and things like that...theres plenty of info on here just try to find it

[Bigmax]

i have grown as much as i am going to naturally... i dont think my body makes much test onits own...

guy quit while you're ahead cause we are trying to advise you.....like i said you have no clue at 19 yrs old what your body is doing.

[xxedixxes]

guy quit while you're ahead cause we are trying to advise you.....like i said you have no clue at 19 yrs old what your body is doing.

you dont even know me i know my body better than you do if you dont have anything constructive to say go bother someone else

[xxedixxes]

and yes i know you guys are advising me and i appreciate it but if i'm listening to what you have to say id appreciate it if you listen to me, my growth spurt was done before most peoples even started

[Bigmax]

you came hear and opened yourself up for the comments my friend ...your right i dont know you ...not sure i would want to...nevertheless...you asked for advise and we gave it to you.you are not getting the answers you want so it sounds like you're getting hot under the collar...But no need for that.

[dangeroussafety]

when they say growing u know they're talking about putting on muscle right?

in the ideal world people aren't supposed to use AAS until they absolutely and 100% can NOT gain any strength or mass even with outrageous hypercal diets

is that the case? of course not...but the better base u get muscle wise the easier it will be to keep all your gains

[Bigmax]

guy truly anyone that tells you its ok to take AAS at your age is just not giving you good advise.

[marcus300]

Please do not consider taking any kind of AAS at this age, train naturally and get a good solid base from diet and a good training program, you have enough hormones in the body to produce excellent muscle growth without adding AAS and a chance of messing your own natural hormone balance up,

It takes years to get a good base and if you do this correct at this age you will have the best advantage to produce rapid gains and will be far easier to maintain when you do decide to use AAS,

Go to the diet forum and check out the stickies at the top of the page and read all about diets/food and then go to the training forum, this is all you need and your age and stage, knowledge is power so research and don't do anything daft like taking anything at your age.

[longhorn814]

Youre only 19 and youre still developing as a man. Your endocrine system is not fully developed yet and probably wont be for several more years. All steroids will shut down or supress your natural testosterone to one degree or another. Shutting down your endocrine system before it is fully developed is not a good idea as it may never fully recover or develop. Possiblly setting yourself up for long term problems such as impotence, sterility, etc. It is in your best interest to educate yourself and train naturally for several more years. Because steroids shut down your natural test, test needs to be the base of every cycle. Without any test in your body, you will have no sex drive, etc. PCT stands for post cycle therapy . Its what you do when you come off to kick start your natural test production as quick as possible to get back to normal and keep your gains. HGH will do nothing for a 19 year old. The people that benefit most from it are at least 30. Just b/c other kids your age at the gym are using doesnt make it right. You would be suprised at how uneducated people are when it comes to this. They think they can just take a few injections of whatever and boom, they big and shredded over night. That couldnt be farther from the truth.

[xxedixxes]

Please do not consider taking any kind of AAS at this age, train naturally and get a good solid base from diet and a good training program, you have enough hormones in the body to produce excellent muscle growth without adding AAS and a chance of messing your own natural hormone balance up,

It takes years to get a good base and if you do this correct at this age you will have the best advantage to produce rapid gains and will be far easier to maintain when you do decide to use AAS,

Go to the diet forum and check out the stickies at the top of the page and read all about diets/food and then go to the training forum, this is all you need and your age and stage, knowledge is power so research and don't do anything daft like taking anything at your age.

i just dont understand my max bench has went from 240 to 315 and i have not grown an inch on my chest or arms since then and i eat a great diet... if you say i shouldnt take anything i understand... i know people who took steroids in high school and i totally disagreed with that...

[BG]

Please do not consider taking any kind of AAS at this age, train naturally and get a good solid base from diet and a good training program, you have enough hormones in the body to produce excellent muscle growth without adding AAS and a chance of messing your own natural hormone balance up,

It takes years to get a good base and if you do this correct at this age you will have the best advantage to produce rapid gains and will be far easier to maintain when you do decide to use AAS,

Go to the diet forum and check out the stickies at the top of the page and read all about diets/food and then go to the training forum, this is all you need and your age and stage, knowledge is power so research and don't do anything daft like taking anything at your age.

The only post you need to read.

[Bigmax]

getting stronger doesnt necessarily mean bigger muscles...post your diet @ the diet forum and we'll start there bro.

[marcus300]

i just dont understand my max bench has went from 240 to 315 and i have not grown an inch on my chest or arms since then and i eat a great diet... if you say i shouldnt take anything i understand... i know people who took steroids in high school and i totally disagreed with that...

You want more size/mass/muscle tissue at 19yrs old = food and more food and training

[xxedixxes]

i eat 4 cups of oatmeal for breakfast as much chicken as i can hold down for lunch and unsalted nuts and veggies for dinner... sometimes ground turkey too with snacks in between usually nuts or whole grain bread... i would move around like go to the diet forum but im not really good with computers lol and the only way i got here is a search engine landed me here... and like i said i am was a personal trainer i mean i have made other people put on tons of mass and i know how to do it i just cant grow

[xxedixxes]

ohh yah and 2 pounds of yoghurt twice a day

[marcus300]

i eat 4 cups of oatmeal for breakfast as much chicken as i can hold down for lunch and unsalted nuts and veggies for dinner... sometimes ground turkey too with snacks in between usually nuts or whole grain bread... i would move around like go to the diet forum but im not really good with computers lol and the only way i got here is a search engine landed me here... and like i said i am was a personal trainer i mean i have made other people put on tons of mass and i know how to do it i just cant grow

Your diet is the problem if you are not gaining weight and now i can see why,
go to the diet forum and check out the stickies at the top of the page for bulking,

You want more size/mass/muscle tissue at 19yrs old = food and more food and training

[longhorn814]

i eat 4 cups of oatmeal for breakfast as much chicken as i can hold down for lunch and unsalted nuts and veggies for dinner... sometimes ground turkey too with snacks in between usually nuts or whole grain bread...

there's your problem, youre diet is NOT good