First Cycle for a Football Player

**Decimus** · 07-14-2006, 02:57 PM

Hey Guys,

I've learned alot so far reading these posts and other forums as well. But I'm in need of some personal opinions.

I'm 6'2" 250lb 21yr old football player. I'm curious as to if I wanted to cycle, what would be the best stack for a football player. As B.B. and football are to totally different sports, requiring different attributes of an athlete. In football we need to be as explosive and powerful as possible, putting on 10-15lbs would be great, but what i need as well as that is some serious strength gains, where I can become more powerful, and also quicker.

I'm already naturally muscular, and not at all a slob, I've trained for quite a few years, know just about everything about the gym, but have sometimes been sidelined from working out for various reasons for different lengths of time.

More to the point, obviously Testosterone is goign to be needed in my opinion, but I can't have anythign that would stay in my system able to be detected longer than 3 months. Winstrol apparentely dries out the joints too much for someone in a high impact sport like football, please comment if you disagree.

If there is any football players out there, let me know what did or didn;t work for you, and if there is anyone out there who would know what might help, let me know please.

Thanks,
Decimus

**Decimus** · 07-14-2006, 03:24 PM

bump....

**hoopcat528** · 07-14-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Decimus

Hey Guys,

I've learned alot so far reading these posts and other forums as well. But I'm in need of some personal opinions.

I'm 6'2" 250lb 21yr old football player. I'm curious as to if I wanted to cycle, what would be the best stack for a football player. As B.B. and football are to totally different sports, requiring different attributes of an athlete. In football we need to be as explosive and powerful as possible, putting on 10-15lbs would be great, but what i need as well as that is some serious strength gains, where I can become more powerful, and also quicker.

I'm already naturally muscular, and not at all a slob, I've trained for quite a few years, know just about everything about the gym, but have sometimes been sidelined from working out for various reasons for different lengths of time.

More to the point, obviously Testosterone is goign to be needed in my opinion, but I can't have anythign that would stay in my system able to be detected longer than 3 months. Winstrol apparentely dries out the joints too much for someone in a high impact sport like football, please comment if you disagree.

If there is any football players out there, let me know what did or didn;t work for you, and if there is anyone out there who would know what might help, let me know please.

Thanks,
Decimus

I used to play football in college and very briefly in the pros (mid 1980's). Back then a suggested stack from my doctor (he had a lot of college and NFL patients) was test (or deca ) - dianabol - anavar . But I think now, with more info, different compounds are being used.

I assume you are a linebacker or tight end ?

Regarding a stack to achieve your stated goals, I would suggest equipoise (great for joints and strength), anavar (OK for joints and great for strength) and test.

How much weight you gain will depend on the normal factors like genetics, diet, training, etc.

But it sounds like you are in great shape and starting a cycle in "peak" shape is, I think, a great idea. The steroids take you far beyond your natural peak.

I would suggest looking into chemicals to prevent drug test detection. If you can find someone who can give you a "trial run" drug test that is even better. But be very careful with getting caught. Even a simple cycle, started when you are peak shape, will make you get great gains so people will know something is up.

Here is what happened in my first cycle, and it was only one type of steroid (dianabol), and only 20 mg per day. This dose was only about 1/10th of what most people take:

Before cycle - 235 lbs. - 15% body fat - 5.2 40 yard dash - 320 pound bench

After 90 day cycle - 255 lbs. - 11% body fat - 4.9 40 yard dash - 365 pound bench

Good Luck

**Decimus** · 07-14-2006, 04:03 PM

Anavar seems alright, but we are randomly tested in august so i would have to have it out of my system by then, no chance of using a masker.... anyone got a dosage for my for lets say a anavar and test e or c or p stack?

**Decimus** · 07-14-2006, 04:27 PM

bump

**lanky** · 07-14-2006, 04:29 PM

hoopcat u said in ur first cycle u ran only dbol for 90 days

i thought it max time on dbol should be 6 weeks?

**hoopcat528** · 07-14-2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by lanky

hoopcat u said in ur first cycle u ran only dbol for 90 days

i thought it max time on dbol should be 6 weeks?

The doctor told me to run it 3 months (90) days and then take 1 month off. That was a normal cycle then, but that was 1984.

I had extensive physical tests (blood, urine, etc.) before, during, and after cycle.

And I was only running 20 mg per day, and no other steriods .

**pdog80** · 07-14-2006, 06:21 PM

Well, you could go with test prop 75-100mgs ed for 10-12 weeks. I don't know about the dosages with anavar and someone else would have to fill you in on the amount of this. The reason I suggest test prop is because it only stays in your system for 3 days and that is why it needs to be shot ed or possibly eod.

**Vegas67** · 07-14-2006, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by pdog80

Well, you could go with test prop 75-100mgs ed for 10-12 weeks. I don't know about the dosages with anavar and someone else would have to fill you in on the amount of this. The reason I suggest test prop is because it only stays in your system for 3 days and that is why it needs to be shot ed or possibly eod.

Yes, but it will be detectable for longer than 3 days. However, it probably would be the best for lean gains for an football player. I played LB for WSU in the late 80s and did a couple of stupid Dbol cycles with some Test E and ended up with a lot of water gain. Take your anti E whatever you do. Stay away from Tren if you are still on the field during your cycle.

**pdog80** · 07-14-2006, 06:37 PM

It'll be detectable for longer than 3 days yes, but the other forms of test stay in your body longer than prop. Unless you do test suspension, but why would you want to shoot up twice a day, right?

**Decimus** · 07-15-2006, 04:06 PM

So, lets say I want lean mass gain with strength and power, I'm hearing that test prop with anavar .....

dosages?

and how long?

**pdog80** · 07-15-2006, 04:12 PM

I don't know about the dosages with anavar cuz I've never used it before, but for prop, I'd suggest 75mgs-100mgs ed with AI like arimidex . Proper PCT required if you want to keep most of your gains.

**Badgerman** · 07-15-2006, 11:23 PM

They check for PCT......clomid......nolva.......they are all banned substances......if you value your scholarship....even if you do just test prop and your t/e ratio is off your screwed.........HGH and nothing else.
Summer testing starts what this year???

**Tank75** · 07-16-2006, 12:40 AM

Decimus,
I'm afraid you may have missed the boat on this season. Chances are with training camps coming up in the beginning of August, you legitimately have only 3 to 4 weeks before you're likely to be drug tested. Now if you'd run test prop for only a week or two, the prop would still be detectable by mid August. I believe that test prop is detectable for nearly 2-3 weeks.

Now, a good cycle for you would probably run at least a month, but most cycles last between 10-12 weeks for a beginner. Don't forget you need a proper PCT in there too and that can last a few more weeks and the detection times for those drugs are a few weeks on top of that.

Before I started the cycle I'm on right now, I calculated how much time I would need to run a proper 12 week cycle of sust250 and have it cleared from my system and it was roughly 6 months. Now test prop stays in the system for much shorter, but I would imagine, depending on how you went about this, that you would still need at least 3 months if you used a short 4-6 weeks cycle.

Don't foget that the most important part of any cycle is the preparation. Too many rookies start too quickly and find they have too many questions about diet or workout routines in their fourth week into their cycle and they totally waste their time and money. Anabolics are nothing to take lightly...do your research.

I know what it's like to play college sports and it sucks going against people that have used. My sophomore year playing football I got passed up for two kids coming out of highschool with 450lbs benches and 4.5 forty's and I knew there was no way in hell these kids had the work ethic and good fortune to achieve that by 18 years old naturally. Now adays, that's all part of the game and I suggest if you even want to be a part of the team this season then you lay low on the anabolics and maybe get yourself ready to run them for next season.

I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but this is the best advice I can give you... it's the advice that I ended up using and I'm in a very similar position as you.

Best Regards,
-Tank75

**Tank75** · 07-16-2006, 12:44 AM

I'll also, add that it may take a week or two to see the effects of test prop, but some people notice results almost immediately. Also, something else to think about is that test prop can hurt... especially if you have a lot of virgin muscle that has never seen the needle. You would probably end up walking into training camp like you just got into a car accident. If you do use test prop, then you may want to cut it with vitamin b12 from lion because that can help in reducing the pain from injections sometimes significantly.

**Decimus** · 07-16-2006, 11:18 AM

Hey guys, thanks for the advice.

To clear the record, I'm not planning on trying it this year, If at all, I'm thinking about the possibility of doing a cycle after the season, so I can probably do test c or e with no problems, becasue prop isn't looking good for the amount of needles i would have to take.

I'm playing this year, I know this for a fact already, but I was thinking if I need push the limits after next seaons, depending on how this one goes, I need to know my shit now.

Now, it'd be great to have your guys input on a cycle for post-season, so i know, since I will have close to 5 or 6 months wihtout fear of a test.

Thanks for the help

**Foskamink** · 07-16-2006, 11:21 AM

take it to the extreme brother!!!
thats all i gotta say, what ever u decide to do you just gotta go hard and give it your everything
my gym trainer told me "you are the only one that can stop you" words of wisdom.
go hard or go home

**Tank75** · 07-17-2006, 09:40 PM

i think you made a smart decision... no reason to ride the pine if you have the chance to be on the field. just be careful...the NCAA can test you all year around... not just in season. Now athletes can be forced to take drug tests over the summer too.