Why do people bulk???

[seriouslifter]

Bulking as far as taking long acting esters and dbols, a bombs. I dont get it, you will bloat and have moon face. A lot people know that you are on it by the bloat in the face. Why do people want that? I moved to all lean mass stuff like prop, tren , winny and so on. Im never doing dbols or any of that again. I guess maybe if someone didnt weigh alot like 170 or something.

[Lavinco]

Bulking comes with extra weight gain of all kinds. Muscle, fat and water.

The extra fat and water is just what you end up with in order to get every ounce of muscle possible during a bulk.

This is why you cut after a bulk.

A lean bulk is exactly that. Lean.

[seriouslifter]

Bulking comes with extra weight gain of all kinds. Muscle, fat and water.

The extra fat and water is just what you end up with in order to get every ounce of muscle possible during a bulk.

This is why you cut after a bulk.

A lean bulk is exactly that. Lean.

People could go slowly and just build lean mass with no fat mostly. Prop no water retention and tren is very good with this. Also you dont look like a balloon in public.

[Lavinco]

People could go slowly and just build lean mass with no fat mostly. Prop no water retention and tren is very good with this. Also you dont look like a balloon in public.

True but for those who want quick mass will do the heavy bulking with heavy cycles.

A lean bulker may only add 15 lbs a year but a heavy bulker could add 40-45lbs, then cut and still have 25 lbs of new muscle.

[magic32]

M.

[Smart@$$]

Bulk is to put on mass and size. It is that simple.

[BajanBastard]

Bulking as far as taking long acting esters and dbols, a bombs. I dont get it, you will bloat and have moon face. A lot people know that you are on it by the bloat in the face. Why do people want that? I moved to all lean mass stuff like prop, tren, winny and so on. Im never doing dbols or any of that again. I guess maybe if someone didnt weigh alot like 170 or something.

I just wrote a brief article on bulking cycles and i touched on this very subject. I agree with you 100%, bulking is nothing but an excuse to be a fat ass with a sloppy diet. From the time i started AAS research i thought the 'bulking cycle' was a very stupid idea. I actually had 1k 5mg d-bol to use with Test E for my first cycle and sold/gave them away and used 75mg tren instead.

Using a bulking cycle to gain 40lbs and 25 is fat and water, then to turn around and a cutting cycle is the stupidest thing i ever heard. When you can run a lean mass cycle and get the same result with one cycle.

Bulking cycles are also more dangerous than lean mass cycles. On bulking cycles cases of high BP, acne and gyno are more common.


Bulking cycle;

100mg drol ED 1-4
600mg Test E 1-15
400mg deca 1-12
Nolva

30 lbs gained (20 lbs lean muscle, 10 lbs fat)

Cutting cycle;

Test prop 75mg ED 1-12
Var 50mg ED 1-10
Primo 600mg wk 1-12

5lbs gained 10 lbs lost

Total 25 lbs

Cost $750.00


Lean mass cycle

Test prop 100mg ED 1-12
Fina 75mg ED 1-10
NPP 75mg ED
Letro .25mg ED

Gains 20 lbs (lean)

Cost $300.00

[Lavinco]

Interesting deductions you bastard.

[taiboxa]

I just wrote a brief article on bulking cycles and i touched on this very subject. I agree with you 100%, bulking is nothing but an excuse to be a fat ass with a sloppy diet. From the time i started AAS research i thought the 'bulking cycle' was a very stupid idea. I actually had 1k 5mg d-bol to use with Test E for my first cycle and sold/gave them away and used 75mg tren instead.

Using a bulking cycle to gain 40lbs and 25 is fat and water, then to turn around and a cutting cycle is the stupidest thing i ever heard. When you can run a lean mass cycle and get the same result with one cycle.

Bulking cycles are also more dangerous than lean mass cycles. On bulking cycles cases of high BP, acne and gyno are more common.


Bulking cycle;

100mg drol ED 1-4
600mg Test E 1-15
400mg deca 1-12
Nolva

30 lbs gained (20 lbs lean muscle, 10 lbs fat)

Cutting cycle;

Test prop 75mg ED 1-12
Var 50mg ED 1-10
Primo 600mg wk 1-12

5lbs gained 10 lbs lost

Total 25 lbs

Cost $750.00


Lean mass cycle

Test prop 100mg ED 1-12
Fina 75mg ED 1-10
NPP 75mg ED
Letro .25mg ED

Gains 20 lbs (lean)

Cost $300.00

No PRICE TALK BICH!

anyways as far as this all goes i always do LEAN bulk for the most part since i dont really bloat from any esters or compounds as compared to most and my diet is always spot on.. except when i want my tripple bacon cheese burger and peanutbutter cup shake!

anyways
i would like to say that i have 2 primary cycles i run
TestP/E either or and keep it arond 250-750/wk
and either
Deca/Drol
or
Tren/Win (or halo inplace of win)

but using a 19nor/dht combo is most ideal

the bloat is controllable via Herbal Supplements & AI's but i also noticed my diet dictates alot of my water retention regardless of what compouns i run.

Chinese food = Bloat!
LOTS OF GREASY FOOD = Bloat
basically anything thats YUMMY = Bloat

[xderekx]

bulking up is an overused phrase, often a weakly offered excuse to explain why physiqued athletes are eating doughnuts and pizza. it's simple to find bodybuilders and wannabes in "off season form"...sadly, it seems most of them never have an on season.

[Lavinco]

bulking up is an overused phrase, often a weakly offered excuse to explain why physiqued athletes are eating doughnuts and pizza. it's simple to find bodybuilders and wannabes in "off season form"...sadly, it seems most of them never have an on season.

True and not true.

What about those that are serious bulkers with a clean diet? they do not fall in your category.

[xderekx]

True and not true.

What about those that are serious bulkers with a clean diet? they do not fall in your category.

i guess you can say there are exceptions to the rule...but unfortunately in jersey...my phrase deems flawless with the moronic guido nation who fist pump to house music, blow coke every night & claim they are bodybuilders.

i was just having this similar discussion at work & needed to go off on a tangent lol

[vitor]

When I did Anadrol and Deca I blew up like nothing else and got so strong, and I was thinking; WOW! Ime getting so huge... When I was done it was like sticking a hole in a water-ballon...

Drol,deca,d-bol,test-e=all junk bloat with shitty un-keapable gains!

Tren /winny/Primo,masteron ,halo,andriol /prop=all solid muscle tissue that stays long term!

[Bigmax]

i guess you can say there are exceptions to the rule...but unfortunately in jersey...my phrase deems flawless with the moronic guido nation who fist pump to house music, blow coke every night & claim they are bodybuilders.

i was just having this similar discussion at work & needed to go off on a tangent lol

LOL...hey dont talk about me like that....just kidding bro not from jersey...You guys are all touching on the right points of "BULKING"which is at times true that guys take it as a liberty to just get as FAT as hell eating sh*t.Ive had the pleasure of spending sometime with pro BBers and if they're making a living at it trust me they on with thier nutrition all year round....yes they'll put on some water but they will still get on stage for a guest posing and look better than the overall winner of the show.Take dorian yates ...he ate the same thing all year round....when he was ready to take the stage...all he did was make adjustments and lower and cut portions of the food he was already eating....raised the cardio and bam he was on the money.I come from the same mentality as PINN if you read his thread your better off doing what you call a growth phase where you ramp your calories up instead of just making a pig of yourself....cause if you think you're fooling anybody think again.

[Bigmax]

I also think that as far as The AAS for bulking cutting....man thats just a matter of seeing what works for ou and what doesnt....Ive seen guys prepare of shows on A bombs and testE....Ive seen guys bulking on winny and tren ....its not the AAs that make you fat and bloated ...its your mouth!!!!so watch what you put in it.

[jucinator]

yeah tren is great but run alot of cycles of it and see if you end up like Don Long , A great bodybuilder who now has to be hooked up to dialisises 5 times a week , puts a damper on your schedule to have to show up to a docters office 5 times a week for 2 -3 hours a day sounds great! Dont get me wrong Ive run tren twice and I like it , But if you go crazy with it you will pay a price Sooner or later. Primo on the other hand is very safe, winny is toxic to the liver and I belive over time ****s your tendons and joints up . Deca on the other hand makes me strong , keeps my joints lubed and has relativaly small side effects even if ran for 6-8 MONTHS Straight. Try running tren for that long and watch you piss blood, I have been 232 and ripped with test P , Deca , and anavar it was a great cycle, But Ive never been stronger than when I was on D-bol , Tren and test P I was benchig 405 for 6 reps at 232 and could max on the bench at 465. So I guess what im trying to say is maybe its not right for you but Ronnie Coleman does it and it seems to be working for him,And also if you keep a clean diet while your bulking and use letro and Provian and Novaldex the right way with finastride there are virtualy no bloating ,bitch tits acne , its great just cost more to do it right

[Bigmax]

yeah tren is great but run alot of cycles of it and see if you end up like Don Long , A great bodybuilder who now has to be hooked up to dialisises 5 times a week , puts a damper on your schedule to have to show up to a docters office 5 times a week for 2 -3 hours a day sounds great! Dont get me wrong Ive run tren twice and I like it , But if you go crazy with it you will pay a price Sooner or later. Primo on the other hand is very safe, winny is toxic to the liver and I belive over time ****s your tendons and joints up . Deca on the other hand makes me strong , keeps my joints lubed and has relativaly small side effects even if ran for 6-8 MONTHS Straight. Try running tren for that long and watch you piss blood, I have been 232 and ripped with test P , Deca , and anavar it was a great cycle, But Ive never been stronger than when I was on D-bol , Tren and test P I was benchig 405 for 6 reps at 232 and could max on the bench at 465. So I guess what im trying to say is maybe its not right for you but Ronnie Coleman does it and it seems to be working for him,And also if you keep a clean diet while your bulking and use letro and Provian and Novaldex the right way with finastride there are virtualy no bloating ,bitch tits acne , its great just cost more to do it right

Guy where have you been????Don long has a transplant and is about to make a comback...in fact i think he will be on that pro canadien show where paul dillet is making his comeback.

[getpumped24]

i personally feel a lot better w/a little fat and water. if i drop below 10%bf i start losing strength and feel tired all the time. even when bulking i still eat clean , just a lot more of it. everyone has their own opinion i guess.

[BajanBastard]

yeah tren is great but run alot of cycles of it and see if you end up like Don Long , A great bodybuilder who now has to be hooked up to dialisises 5 times a week , puts a damper on your schedule to have to show up to a docters office 5 times a week for 2 -3 hours a day sounds great! Dont get me wrong Ive run tren twice and I like it , But if you go crazy with it you will pay a price Sooner or later. Primo on the other hand is very safe, winny is toxic to the liver and I belive over time ****s your tendons and joints up . Deca on the other hand makes me strong , keeps my joints lubed and has relativaly small side effects even if ran for 6-8 MONTHS Straight. Try running tren for that long and watch you piss blood, I have been 232 and ripped with test P , Deca , and anavar it was a great cycle, But Ive never been stronger than when I was on D-bol , Tren and test P I was benchig 405 for 6 reps at 232 and could max on the bench at 465. So I guess what im trying to say is maybe its not right for you but Ronnie Coleman does it and it seems to be working for him,And also if you keep a clean diet while your bulking and use letro and Provian and Novaldex the right way with finastride there are virtualy no bloating ,bitch tits acne , its great just cost more to do it right

Proof?

[Bigmax]

yeah tren is great but run alot of cycles of it and see if you end up like Don Long , A great bodybuilder who now has to be hooked up to dialisises 5 times a week , puts a damper on your schedule to have to show up to a docters office 5 times a week for 2 -3 hours a day sounds great! Dont get me wrong Ive run tren twice and I like it , But if you go crazy with it you will pay a price Sooner or later. Primo on the other hand is very safe, winny is toxic to the liver and I belive over time ****s your tendons and joints up . Deca on the other hand makes me strong , keeps my joints lubed and has relativaly small side effects even if ran for 6-8 MONTHS Straight. Try running tren for that long and watch you piss blood, I have been 232 and ripped with test P , Deca , and anavar it was a great cycle, But Ive never been stronger than when I was on D-bol , Tren and test P I was benchig 405 for 6 reps at 232 and could max on the bench at 465. So I guess what im trying to say is maybe its not right for you but Ronnie Coleman does it and it seems to be working for him,And also if you keep a clean diet while your bulking and use letro and Provian and Novaldex the right way with finastride there are virtualy no bloating ,bitch tits acne , its great just cost more to do it right

Guy I commented on your first line of your post...but just finished reading the rest of it ....bro.....when you come off spitting all that you need to come up with back up...sorry but i dont believe anything that came out of your mouth!!!

[timtim]

Drol,deca,d-bol,test-e=all junk bloat with shitty un-keapable gains!

i cut with test e all the time and make great, keepable gains.

[longtom74]

i guess you can say there are exceptions to the rule...but unfortunately in jersey...my phrase deems flawless with the moronic guido nation who fist pump to house music, blow coke every night & claim they are bodybuilders.

i was just having this similar discussion at work & needed to go off on a tangent lol

LOL I was at the shore this weekend I know exactly what your talking about!!!

[vitor]

jucinator-Don long had a genetic disease( I belive it was something with hes kidneys ) steroids and other drugs yust triggered this, b/c he had a condition to develope it.

How can you say Tren was responseble for this?
Have you seen hes cycles?

Please...

[doittoit]

bloat is an individual thing.....im running 250mg anadrol right now wit lots of test and i have almost no bloat, running no ai's or anti-e's either

[Bigmax]

jucinator-Don long had a genetic disease( I belive it was something with hes kidneys ) steroids and other drugs yust triggered this, b/c he had a condition to develope it.

How can you say Tren was responseble for this?
Have you seen hes cycles?

Please...

Actually vitor...after speaking to one of his partners when I was in texas....the doctors believe it was a combo of ...GH and the diuretics.

[Bigmax]

Oh yeah his BP was thru the roof for a long time as well.

[davidvirgodc]

I just assumed that the bloat was largely from diet and lack of cardio. The AAS contributes sure but I feel that even if you're "bulking" you have to watch what you eat and still do cardio.

[RA]

Theres no proof. They dont study the affects of fina on people..but it is hard on kidneys. You know..those back pumps..

[Swifto]

I just wrote a brief article on bulking cycles and i touched on this very subject. I agree with you 100%, bulking is nothing but an excuse to be a fat ass with a sloppy diet. From the time i started AAS research i thought the 'bulking cycle' was a very stupid idea. I actually had 1k 5mg d-bol to use with Test E for my first cycle and sold/gave them away and used 75mg tren instead.

Using a bulking cycle to gain 40lbs and 25 is fat and water, then to turn around and a cutting cycle is the stupidest thing i ever heard. When you can run a lean mass cycle and get the same result with one cycle.

Bulking cycles are also more dangerous than lean mass cycles. On bulking cycles cases of high BP, acne and gyno are more common.


Bulking cycle;

100mg drol ED 1-4
600mg Test E 1-15
400mg deca 1-12
Nolva

30 lbs gained (20 lbs lean muscle, 10 lbs fat)

Cutting cycle;

Test prop 75mg ED 1-12
Var 50mg ED 1-10
Primo 600mg wk 1-12

5lbs gained 10 lbs lost

Total 25 lbs

Cost $750.00


Lean mass cycle

Test prop 100mg ED 1-12
Fina 75mg ED 1-10
NPP 75mg ED
Letro .25mg ED

Gains 20 lbs (lean)

Cost $300.00

Couldnt agree more.

[jollygreenGIANT]

i love drol and test e and deca ...i get great gains with all of these and keep most of them...tren a and igf help me keep them tho

[Carlos_E]

People could go slowly and just build lean mass with no fat mostly. Prop no water retention and tren is very good with this. Also you dont look like a balloon in public.

If you are very lean to begin with you don't look bloated/fat while running long esters. I only run long esters for that reason.

[Carlos_E]

i love drol and test e and deca...i get great gains with all of these and keep most of them

Same here

[Pieru]

I bulk for more power and muscle.More calories more muscle simple.And i dont want to waste my money to expensive gear like primo,anavar or stanonzol.You can diet after cycle and look leaner after every bulk cycle.Lots of cardio after bulk cycle and you can start all over again after time off .Getting little bigger after every cycle.

[one8nine]

True but for those who want quick mass will do the heavy bulking with heavy cycles.

A lean bulker may only add 15 lbs a year but a heavy bulker could add 40-45lbs, then cut and still have 25 lbs of new muscle.

ill second this motion

[Chaz Malibu]

I am so tired of hearing " a cycle is not a cycle w/o test. " I love gaining lean mass, staying vascular, and feeling like greased lighting as opposed to a big hog.

I guess its the kind of "big-man" you want to be.

[one8nine]

okay what about power lifters/wrestlers that are only concearned with strength. this shit is great for strength if you dont care what you look like. and as long as mcdonals isnt part of your diet i dont see how youre gonna put on 10 pounds of fat, maybe 3 which is easily controlable WITHOUT A CUTTING CYCLE
when i hear of cutting cycle i think of contest prep for BB

[one8nine]

and what is this crap you some people are saying that test e gaiuns are not keepable. maybe if you dont do it right youll have water bloat that youl lose but i think you can measure gains by strength cause you cant say thats bloat or extra blood volume how many time are you weaker after a test e cycle than you were when you were on it

it sounds like you need to take a click intot he diet and workout forums and get the rest of your shit straight so you can keep you gains

my max banch has never dropped, it just usally stays the same through pct, and then a few weeks after pct gains start coming slowly never loss in strength maybe one rep less from finish cycle to finish of pct but i add another 10 on the cycle so gain 10 loose one keep 9 sounds good to me on any bulker

[GetBigOrGetPussTryin]

The *OPTIMAL* way to BULK is to use the *OPTIMAL BULKING COMPOUNDS*.

Plain and simple.

Gaining FAT, water, and MUSCLE are ALL part of BULKING phases.

YES, you can BULK with Testosterone Propionate and Winstrol --which IS WHAT I DO--but WHAT I DO is not OPTIMAL for those WILLING to suffer certain side-effects(Sexual dysfunction, Edema, ACNE).

I DO NOT USE TREN, DECA, ANADROL, or EVEN LONG-ESTERED TESTOSTERONE!

However, one MUST acknowledge that a Sustanon/Trenbolone/ANADROL/Deca cycle will get me much bigger than Prop/Winny/Masteron/EQ.

My way DOES take longer..

BUT hey--I look better! lol...

[R]

[Pieru]

The *OPTIMAL* way to BULK is to use the *OPTIMAL BULKING COMPOUNDS*.

Plain and simple.

Gaining FAT, water, and MUSCLE are ALL part of BULKING phases.

YES, you can BULK with Testosterone Propionate and Winstrol--which IS WHAT I DO--but WHAT I DO is not OPTIMAL for those WILLING to suffer certain side-effects(Sexual dysfunction, Edema, ACNE).

I DO NOT USE TREN, DECA, ANADROL, or EVEN LONG-ESTERED TESTOSTERONE!

However, one MUST acknowledge that a Sustanon/Trenbolone/ANADROL/Deca cycle will get me much bigger than Prop/Winny/Masteron/EQ.

My way DOES take longer..

BUT hey--I look better! lol...

[R]

I one time tried stanabol tablets for month 50mg/day for heavy bulk cylcle,it gave me so bad joint problems that i couldnt make bench ,squat and every single exercice was from hell.Basiclly i just pumped after i strated taking them.Yea it gave me harder look but ,i not competitive boybulider yet so i dont see benefits of it.It ruined end of my cycle.

[Stumbo]

some of us just wont gain without an agressive bulk. Its a lot easier for me to bulk up, then cut the fat and keep the muscle, then it is for me to stay lean, and gain new muscle. I really dont gain that much fat or water weight when i bulk though, regardless of my compounds or diet.