wrapping up my cycle - should i add clen?

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 11:08 AM

what up all...

i just started my PCT last night of the following cycle (days 1 - 28, 100mg clomid, 20mg nolva)

1-4 dbol40mg ED
1-12 sust 250mg E3D
9-14 winny 100mg ED

question is: i have read where clen can also help maintain gains. would it be advisbale to use some now during PCT? if yes, i also have T3 so would i use the clen alone or combined with T3?

thanks.

**Anabolios** · 07-31-2006, 11:11 AM

Run the clen during pct..Start your pct 3 weeks after the last sust injection. Run the winny right up to the night before your pct.

**robkesl** · 07-31-2006, 11:13 AM

id just run the clen its a very good anti-catabolic agent. thats why its excellant choice to add to the pct.

you should read alittle on clomid, theres an excellant way of taking it, i cant recall it, but its like 300mgs day 1, then 150 for 10 days, followed by 100 for blah blah, it keeps cutting down. ill see if i can find it.

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

Run the clen during pct..Start your pct 3 weeks after the last sust injection. Run the winny right up to the night before your pct.

yea im done with everything...last winny shot was saturday night so i started PCT last night.

im going to do a search on the clen dosage and repost to make sure its correct.

**Anabolios** · 07-31-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by robkesl

id just run the clen its a very good anti-catabolic agent. thats why its excellant choice to add to the pct.

you should read alittle on clomid, theres an excellant way of taking it, i cant recall it, but its like 300mgs day 1, then 150 for 10 days, followed by 100 for blah blah, it keeps cutting down. ill see if i can find it.

That's called frontloading bro...first day is 300mg...day 2-15 100mg..the rest 50mg...if you're getting vision sides from clomid this is a bad way to do it..plus once it's in you it's not coming out. You won't know about the sides until you take it so therefore I think frontloading is a bad choice just for the potential sides from it.

**robkesl** · 07-31-2006, 11:21 AM

oh that makes sense on the name.

and i agree, but we really dont know if he gets vision disturbances. or if hes ever takin clomid. so i was just suggesting alternative way of doing it, giving options.

i personally use this way, even though i do get vision problems near the end of the 3rd week into the 4th. i feel it helps me recover faster.

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by robkesl

oh that makes sense on the name.

and i agree, but we really dont know if he gets vision disturbances. or if hes ever takin clomid. so i was just suggesting alternative way of doing it, giving options.

i personally use this way, even though i do get vision problems near the end of the 3rd week into the 4th. i feel it helps me recover faster.

first time taking clomid, this is why im going with 100mg days 1-28 plus the nolva. ive read to take it a night aswell so you wont exp some of the sides which is what im doing. so far nothing (as far as sides), at hour 13 of administration.

**robkesl** · 07-31-2006, 11:37 AM

you should be fine then, good luck, keep us posted on how it goes.

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 11:41 AM

i will take the clen ramping up to about 120mcg (if the sides dont get too bad) and stay at the dose that i can tolerate without sides from the clen.

now since this is being done "through" PCT does the clen need to be 2 on and 2 off like i have read? i would think so, so that your receptors will open up again...but maybe this is different coming off ASS...not sure of this...can someone clearify. Or do i go with the 6 weeks staright through adding the benadryl

**robkesl** · 07-31-2006, 11:45 AM

yeah you can just keep taking the clen , but every third week take benadryl with the clen. im pretty sure like 25-50mgs per day will work(benadryl)

**cfiler** · 07-31-2006, 11:58 AM

You could do either the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, or the 6 weeks straight with benadryl every 3rd week. Both will work.

**cfiler** · 07-31-2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by robkesl

yeah you can just keep taking the clen, but every third week take benadryl with the clen. im pretty sure like 25-50mgs per day will work(benadryl)

50mgs of ben is needed for the beta receptors.

**robkesl** · 07-31-2006, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by cfiler

50mgs of ben is needed for the beta receptors.

i know..... thats why i suggested it.

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 12:08 PM

very good...thanks guys.

im going 6 weeks with benadryl

**Dangerdan** · 07-31-2006, 12:20 PM

How did your cycle turn out? I'm thinking about doing a very similar cycle in a few months.

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

How did your cycle turn out? I'm thinking about doing a very similar cycle in a few months.

this was my 3rd cycle...first 2 were done when i was much younger (between the ages of 22 - 24) and a lot less knowledgable of ASS

thanks to the site, i got it right this time around...diet, training, gear and PCT

im now 32

cal intake was right at 3900 (460/315/85)

before cycle
BF was 20%, weight 212-215, hieght 6'1

right now
BF 17%, weight 225, strength is pretty much up 30% across the board (inlcine is at 265x6)

im very happy with the results i was looking for a clean bulk and thats what i got. ill be looking to add a little more solid mass on my next one in 3 months. that will consist of test e 750mg wk, deca 600mg week and possibly some GH.

ill post some pics before and after when i take the final afters this week

**scerpico22** · 07-31-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

How did your cycle turn out? I'm thinking about doing a very similar cycle in a few months.

i found these from an earlier post.

ill get the latest up later this week.
with back and legs

first pic may 1st (day 1)
sec pic june 19th

**Anabolios** · 07-31-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by robkesl

oh that makes sense on the name.

and i agree, but we really dont know if he gets vision disturbances. or if hes ever takin clomid. so i was just suggesting alternative way of doing it, giving options.

i personally use this way, even though i do get vision problems near the end of the 3rd week into the 4th. i feel it helps me recover faster.

i think its a good way to use it if you dont get vision problems..but beware if you do i hear theyre pretty bad!!