d-bol, winni 2gether?

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 02:10 AM

its hard for me to get ahold of gear.. so i found someone who can get me dbol and winni and i have heard good things about the two.. but i dont know how they will work in a pair.. anyone with experience, i would greatly appreciate it.. stats are 6'3 245.. muscular build.. wanna lean up.. without lostin any size.. thanks guys!

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 02:18 AM

somebody help! need to be pointed in the right direction

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 02:40 AM

r u from arizona?

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 02:43 AM

alot of these guys will tell u no, but i see nothing wrong with dbol 1-3 30 mg/ed and winni 3-6 50mg/day...its a good transition from bulking to cutting...a friends of mine trieed it at great results

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 02:45 AM

lol no im not why do u ask? yeah i didnt want anything crazy.. i just wanted to get a little kick start.. i was thiking that exact cycle.. how long would u reccomend staying on that cycle for?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-09-2006, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by tiger909

alot of these guys will tell u no, but i see nothing wrong with dbol 1-3 30 mg/ed and winni 3-6 50mg/day...its a good transition from bulking to cutting...a friends of mine trieed it at great results

3 weeks of winstrol wont do shit.

And that cycle is horrible.

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 02:51 AM

well any reccomendations..? im open to advice.. pleaes anything will be appreciated.

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 02:55 AM

mix them together , dbol 30mg/day , winni 50mg with eod , and finish with 2 weeks dbol.
if you can localize winni you will have better results.

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

3 weeks of winstrol wont do shit.

And that cycle is horrible.

wk 3-6 is four weeks

its not a great cycle but i saw it yield nice results

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 02:57 AM

how long should i run that for? and can someone tell me what EOD means? thanks guys.. im new to the game so can anyone give me exact numbers as far as cycle length, etc

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 02:59 AM

how long should i run that for? and can someone tell me what EOD means? thanks guys.. im new to the game so can anyone give me exact numbers as far as cycle length, etc..

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 02:59 AM

eod is every other day, i dont agree with that, 50mg ed is fine
whatever u decide limit it tosix, maybe seven weeks cause its liver toxic

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 03:01 AM

may be his quantity are also limited , and may be also he is not so big .

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:04 AM

ok so i think i have this right, one option is to take 30 mg of dbol every day.. and every other day take 50 mg of winstrol .. for 6 weeks... no more cause i know its bad for the liver... but liver values do go back to normal right?? and milk thistle does help t/ or false?

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 03:07 AM

with 6 weeks , don't worry your liver will not be killed

you can take hepatotrope with your dbol , based on plants .
i found near my place one plants complex , that work fine .

here what there are inside :
- chrysanthellum
- desmodiumet
- chardon marie

but after this you have to think about one pct because you will certainly bloc your testosteron production.

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:09 AM

ok great.. sorry if im redundant.. but every other day with the winstrol should still see some results?? and the two wouldnt cancel eachother out? and milk thistle is good or bad?

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:09 AM

try this

1-4 dbol 30 mg ed
3-6 winni 50 mg ed

my friend tried this and did well

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:11 AM

the mods and others will try to dissuade this, but its a decent and fastacting cycle

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:11 AM

with very keepable gains as ive witnessed

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:13 AM

what pct do u reccomend.. and were can i find one easy to accces??? they are legal right?

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:14 AM

i think nolva on hand should be fine, i dont see a major shut down happening

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:15 AM

ive read about that.. and the nolva will bring my values back to normal.. after this jump start im not gonna use anymore gear..so i want to stay health, and is nolva legal?

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:18 AM

yeah..just use arr on the ad here

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 03:18 AM

you can find nolva in pharmacy with prescription ( i live in France but may be it's different outside )
tiger909 i agree with your cycle , i didn't see his weight on the 1st post

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:20 AM

so zelos you agree with 50 mg of wini along with 30 of dbol every day for six weeks... with pct of nolva

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by love2lift99

so zelos you agree with 50 mg of wini along with 30 of dbol every day for six weeks... with pct of nolva

yes , i have not big experience on AAS , but in my gym there are a lot of huge guys , and i speak with them every time about this.
One of them made exactly the same cycle ( 40mg dbol instead 30 ) , good results and lean out .
But his diet was perfect and a lot of cardio.

hope it will help you.

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:26 AM

coreection not everything ed, its

1-4 dbol 30 mg ed
3-6 winni 50 mg ed

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:28 AM

ok great thanks tiger.. and as far as the ptc.. nolva is the best? and can you simplify that to me.. that is to get values to normal.. its not gonna **** with anything else of mine? and the site i looked on has it under a diff name?

**elitetky** · 08-09-2006, 03:33 AM

bro you are big i dont think 30mg of dbol its in enough for you why not hit 50mg dbol , and 50mg stanozolo . for me i dont think its a good ideal to use this stuff i rather get test e

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by elitetky

bro you are big i dont think 30mg of dbol its in enough for you why not hit 50mg dbol , and 50mg stanozolo . for me i dont think its a good ideal to use this stuff i rather get test e

the pb it's difficult for him to find AAS.

**love2lift99** · 08-09-2006, 03:36 AM

ok but i really need some help with ptc.. what should i use for that... clomid nolva both? how long .. how much etc please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:40 AM

use nolva only if u see sides erupting, namely gyno....aka just keep it ready

this cycle will not shut you down big count on that

forget the clomid

**elitetky** · 08-09-2006, 03:42 AM

ok PCT you mean right

Nolva its to be taken when you are on Dbol or stano . and 2 weeks after your just injection you need to run Clomid for 3 weeks . But i am not sure about the oral cycle

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 03:43 AM

i don't think you'll need clomid , your cycle is small , or you can use it if you have b*tch tits

( it's anti oestrogens )
For nolva use 30mg ed , just after the cycle

**tiger909** · 08-09-2006, 03:54 AM

hell mask uve been viewing for a while, anything to add?

**Zelos** · 08-09-2006, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by tiger909

hell mask uve been viewing for a while, anything to add?

may be he has not appreciate the winni injection

**briansauras** · 08-09-2006, 07:46 AM

Um why arent you adding a test in there? tiger that has to be the worst advice I have ever seen. yaaa dbol wont shut him down ooook. I dont understand why you are telling him what he wants to hear and telling him to run 6wks of orals alone. He might make SOME gains but I highly doubt he will keep them. Not to mention those are really low doses....
You want to lose weight so you are interested in dbol, right....

You need to do some serious research.

**briansauras** · 08-09-2006, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Zelos

i don't think you'll need clomid , your cycle is small , or you can use it if you have b*tch tits

( it's anti oestrogens )
For nolva use 30mg ed , just after the cycle

omg! you dont use clomid to protect from gyno. it is a SERM but nolva is what is used to compete with estro for biding sites. An AI such as letro is far more effective for preventing gyno.

PCT should include 30days of clomid(i perfer 100mg ED) 20mg nolva until one feels recovered and .25mg letro.

**briansauras** · 08-09-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

3 weeks of winstrol wont do shit.

And that cycle is horrible.

pretty much sums up this thread.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-09-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by tiger909

hell mask uve been viewing for a while, anything to add?

I wasn't logged on...thats odd it showed me as viewing.

1-4 weeks of dbol
3-6 weeks of winstrol

Still is a horrible cycle.

Dbol is used to jump start the cycle. So impatient basturds see quick gains. Then what they take most likely will be Test it kicks in later. Dbol gains are most of the time VERY short lived. So you think he can bulk and cut in 6 weeks time? That cycle is still very poor.

Go ahead and do it. I'm sure he will like it WHILE on. Once he's off and the bloat/strength leaves.....now thats another story.

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