~~First cycle Critique

**Growingpains** · 08-28-2006, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by donveto

Hey GP,

Im getting ready to start week 8 of my first cycle (40mg Dbol ED 1-4 and 500mg test e 1-12)

Take my advice dude and forget the kickstart, don't make the same mistake I made....Don't get me wrong I loved the Dbol and that might be my biggest problem! let me explain...

#1 Dbol makes you feel like a frigin beast- I ate a shat load of food and drank 2-3 gallons of water a day I gained a boat load of weight (yes some was water) Problem is you better get ready to join a new gym because everyone is going to know you are juicing...it is silly how fast this stuff works if you eat and train hard... While on the dbol I got comments to me all the time by strangers asking me how often I lifted, how good I looked ect, ect...
It will make your ego swell faster than your muscles! your pumps are insane..bla bla bla....

now the problems may begin here as they did with me...
You stop the Dbol and guess what - you no longer feel like superman every minute of the day..I lost 5 pounds in like 2 days and you start to wonder if your test is fake..enter placebo effect ...I started to panic and wonder if I screwed up on how I injected my test and if I was doing something wrong, your workouts go down hill because you are to concerned why you don't feel the test yet...SO I went back on dbol for week 6 @ 20mg ed,,felt a litle better.... Then a couple days ago I started to have great workouts again - you couldnt drag me out of the gym , my strength is going up and up and I feel great again...

So in short I wish I just stuck to test-e for my first cylce!
For many reasons including.. If I would have done test alone I would not have had a 2 week slump and wonder what my problem was, I could have had a great experience on test alone and learn how my body reacts to it alone( how long it takes to kick in and what to expect on TEST ALONE) now I will always wonder....

If I were you I would run the Test alone-keep a daily log of how you feel- mentally and physically- this way you know when the test kicks in and what it feels like exactly..not wonder if it is one or the other..This way on your next cylce you can properly add an oral ..for example

If it takes you until week 5 to feel the results of test, then I would run dbol for 5 weeks so you have no gap..or yo-yo effect.
Or like me, I now know test takes aroun 7.5-8 weeks for me to kick in..So my next cycle I will run dbol @ say 50mg ED for 5 weeks-week 6 @ 25ed and week 7 at 25 mg EOD..this way I can taper off the oral and not experience the not so pleasent SLUMP I went trough..

Am I happy with my cycle ..your damn right I am! I have gone from 179 @ 9.5-10% bf to 208 14-15% bf...I need to pull my head outta my ass and get the cardio upped I know this...

In the long run though I wish I just did the test e...be honest with yourself , you are not just going to do one cylce ..take your time and enjoy!!!!

Hope this helps man!!
Be safe..

Wow Bro, I really appreciate the time you have taken to write all this down! Thank you so much. This board really kicks ass. Thanks again man.

GP

**donveto** · 08-28-2006, 05:36 AM

no prob man, hope everything goes good for you!

**goalseeker** · 08-28-2006, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by donveto

Hey GP,

and drank 2-3 gallons of water a day ..

....??...
How long did you do this for bro?

**donveto** · 08-28-2006, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by goalseeker

....??...
How long did you do this for bro?

I still am- sorry to confuse-
I fill a gallon twice a day, plus water at gym and w/ shakes.
Also at work I have to do a few security rounds (about 1.5 miles walk)and I bring a 20oz bottle with me everytime.. so at least 2 gallons a day but most days are around 3.

**Growingpains** · 08-29-2006, 12:41 AM

**Growingpains** · 09-08-2006, 02:06 PM

Would it be too much to do TEST E at 750 mgs/week for 12 weeks with nothing else included?

What do you think?

The reason I ask is because I would have to buy probably 40 mls and if I did a cycle at 500 mgs/week I would have some left over. but not enough to do another cycle....

Anyone with ideas?

**Velkar182** · 09-08-2006, 02:29 PM

I just finished my second cycle. I just wanted to let you know that in the two cycles I gained 30lbs to 38lbs and 3-4 lbs of fat (I think because of the dbol ) during the two cycles and only lost about 4-6 pounds. Those 4-6 pounds I gained back natty between the cycles in the 3 month off time by keeping up my diet (but I gained 6-7 lbs of fat with the same diet natty...I think test en does great things with metabolism probably).

The cycles I ran were:
wks 1-4 dbol 15mg
wks 1-10 test en
muscle gain: 17 lbs
fat gained: 2 lbs
lost muscle: 4-6lbs

wks 1-4 dbol 30mg
wks 1-12 test en
muscle gained: 21 lbs
fat gained: 2?? lbs Might be a bit more
lost muscle: ? Still in pct

It seems that strength, water retention and fat gain are proportional to the amount of dbol I used. I didn't seem to loose much strength with the muscle lose. That was most important to me, being that I PL.