Turanabol - First Cycle

**strongman09** · 08-31-2006, 06:14 PM

wk 1 Tbol 40mg/ED
wk 2 Tbol 50mg/ED
wk 4-6 Tbol 60mg/ED
Nolva on hand.

wk 7-8 nolva 20mg

Will this suffice as a good cycle? Also if I need to go on vacation without PCT at the end of the 8th week for about 4 days, could I come back and run another week of nolva? I really appreciate everything guys.

Also another big question I have is if I could run anavar for 3.5 weeks at 30mg a day, either at the beginning or end of the tbol cycle. Would that be beneficial in anyway. Thanks.

**strongman09** · 08-31-2006, 06:29 PM

What would be better?

wk 1 Tbol 40mg/ED
wk 2 Tbol 50mg/ED
wk 3-6 Tbol 60mg/ED
wk 7-8 Nolva 20mg/ED

or...

wk 1 Tbol 40mg/ED
wk 2 Tbol 50mg/ED
wk 3-6 Tbol 60mg/ED
wk 3.5-6 Anavar 30mg/ED
wk 7-8 Nolva 20mg/ED

Please critic the first one and tell me if you think the one with anavar is any good. I can only do a max cycle of 6 weeks, not including PCT. Also will 2 weeks be enough of nolva to get me back? If I need to extend PCT longer can I take a 4 day break to go on a flight on vacation and then do another week of PCT?

**Duke of Earl** · 08-31-2006, 06:59 PM

Seeing as it's a short cycle, personally i would jump straight in @60mg ED

I would keep the nolva handy as I personally have had puffy nips from tbol only ( could be due to increased free test from tbol/SHBG interactions )

2.5 weeks of Var will do Fu<k all for you - if you wanna run Var, I'd run it the whole way through @ 40-60mg ( otherwise I'd drop it )

I'm actually running an experimental tbol/var cycle at the mo @ 60mg Tbol + 60mg Var ED for 7 weeks - seems to be working nicely with low sides

**strongman09** · 08-31-2006, 07:24 PM

Okay, so if I drop the var and only run the tbol, do you think that would be a good cycle? Will the PCT of 2 weeks of nolva be enough? Thats my main concern.

**Liftnainez** · 09-01-2006, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by pdog80

Wow. I never said that test is best. I also never said you have to stack test in every cycle. I just said that a t-bol only cycle would result in minimal gains and disappointment. Now if you stack the t-bol with something else like tren or deca , that would make the gains from the cycle that much better. I merely suggested that adding test would probably enhance his gains. Lift, you need to get off your high horse and read the thread carefully before you start making assumptions.

like swifto and goalseeker said- let it go.. the "attack" that hurt you so much was not on you but on advocating test only or test is best! u are saying that tbol only will be a dissapointment!!?!? it was NOT for me.. did u ever try it? if not stop parroting around and dont get so sensitive about an online website where ppl share ideas..

**Duke of Earl** · 09-01-2006, 05:21 AM

Will the PCT of 2 weeks of nolva be enough? Thats my main concern.

impossible to say - depends on so many factors, but I don't think a 4 day break during PCT would do you too much harm

**strongman09** · 09-01-2006, 09:11 AM

So do you think I should run the nolva for 2 weeks at 20mg take the 4 day break, if I feel I need another week, should I just run another one at 20mg?

**pdog80** · 09-01-2006, 10:10 AM

How am I parroting? Wow, you just made another assumption. Whatever though, I'm not hurt by what you said nor will I ever be. I'm said I'm done talking to you so why you talkin' back?

**Duke of Earl** · 09-01-2006, 11:23 AM

So do you think I should run the nolva for 2 weeks at 20mg take the 4 day break, if I feel I need another week, should I just run another one at 20mg?

I'm a clomid pct kinda guy, so I can't really advise on tamox pct, but I'd just take the 4 day break and then carry on as normal - ie finish your PCT after your break..... it's not ideal for recovery, but I'm sure it won't make that much difference after 2 weeks normal PCT

**Johny-too-small** · 09-01-2006, 11:48 AM

I ran a tbol only cycle for six weeks. I am far from dissapointed and am very happy with the 15lbs that are now apart of me.
IMO, a 1st cycle w/ tbol only is just fine.

However, my next cycle will include Mr. Test E and my good friend Tbol...

**Rocky IV** · 09-01-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

it just annoys me that everybody thinks there a steroid guru.. test does NOT need to be added into every cycle.. thats my point... i still think he is wrong for pushing test.. i didnt mean to be hard on him, just on the point of test is best is not always correct..

YOUR 1000000%RIGHT everyone on this boreed seems to be a parot hearing the same things over and over people who do not want to use test is for a reason becuase it doesnt fit in to thier goals of how they want to look from there cycle..if people want mass sure its good if people want to stay lean i would sugest they stay away from test and stick to hardening copounds like var winni tbol primo,ect so when ever you here a guy who states his stats and his goal are to add a few lean pounds...meaning no water and estrgenic fat/lypid suggesting he uses test is the stupidest answer possible it like saying to him to bulk on a winni cycle lol

**Rocky IV** · 09-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by goalseeker

well personally? I think theres less sides with test, as compared to, say, winny or something.... in my experience anyways.. But we are all different....

you are right and thats becuase you are 40 years of age so it more like suplimenting test for you..if you were in your 20s you would notice alot more sides from test becuase your levels are naturally high in these years so estrgenic sides will be much easier to experince at a younger age rahter than when your onlder...if im still using ASS at 40 im sure i will use mminimal test in my cycles as a base becuase i will need it to keep fucntioning while on other coupounds like winni ..but in early 20s its as if we already have a base of test whithout having to inject it..

**thabeastmaster** · 09-15-2006, 09:38 AM

im almost at 8 weeks of my first ever cycle.....30mg tbol first 3 weeks, and 50mg a day for the remainder.......

started at a lean 165 (im 5' 11''...a skinny hardgainer)......

now at the beginning of week 8 im 183 and more cut...im still 5' 11'' though...

side effects???

only one......HORRIBLE GAS.......i mean this stuff is DEADLY......non stop silent killers, the kind that make peoples faces melt...BUT...it has allowed me to get out of having sex with my girlfriend on many occasions...so i cant even complain about the side effect.....

i havent been taking anything else with it...and no nipple soreness or itching, nothing like that at all.....sex drive pretty much the same.....( i didnt have much of one before i started the cycle anyway)

as far as my gains, im EXTREMELY impressed....i gained almost 15lbs of lean muscle mass on LESS THAN 3000 CALORIES A DAY.....AND in addition to lifting very heavy and seriously, i train brazilian jiu jitsu 3-4 times a week for 3 hours at a time.....i cant imagine what id look like if i actually got 4k cals a day and didnt do any cardio!!

im going to take 8 weeks off then try some anavar .......i really dont want to be 180 because i fight at 170.....so im going to jump to circuit training and see what i lose then give the var a try...

overall....a very positive first experience

**one8nine** · 09-15-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

hahaha!!!! please stop.. your suggestions are wrong.. why should he do a test only cycle? bc boards push it? have u ever ran a tbol only cycle? I have combined with var and it was amazing... i beg u to tell me my cycle was ran wrong.. test only is best is a pure myth.. it may be for some ppl, but for some it is not

i know this thread is a few weeks old but

THANK YOU! FANTASTIC POINT.
im really tired of reading test only first cycle. not everythign would be great first cycle but i think there are plenty of things that could be used alone without test for a first cycle.

**Elexecution** · 10-09-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

hahaha!!!! please stop.. your suggestions are wrong.. why should he do a test only cycle? bc boards push it? have u ever ran a tbol only cycle? I have combined with var and it was amazing... i beg u to tell me my cycle was ran wrong.. test only is best is a pure myth.. it may be for some ppl, but for some it is not

Agreed 100%

just wanted to bump this thread to let some people know that while test only is a good first cycle, there's no need to reject anyone else's suggestion that a TBol only cycle would be good as well

In my opinion a TBol only cycle is better than a test cycle. I ran a TBol only cycle as my first cycle and gained 18 pounds off of it. Kept 14. I'm in week 7 of a Test e 1-10, Winny 7-12 cycle and have gained 8 pounds so far, with 3 weeks left... So to those who say any oral only cycle is garbage, they're just flat out wrong

**Liftnainez** · 10-10-2006, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Elexecution

Agreed 100%

just wanted to bump this thread to let some people know that while test only is a good first cycle, there's no need to reject anyone else's suggestion that a TBol only cycle would be good as well

In my opinion a TBol only cycle is better than a test cycle. I ran a TBol only cycle as my first cycle and gained 18 pounds off of it. Kept 14. I'm in week 7 of a Test e 1-10, Winny 7-12 cycle and have gained 8 pounds so far, with 3 weeks left... So to those who say any oral only cycle is garbage, they're just flat out wrong

yup.. my point exactly.. ppl like to talk and talk.. i let just sit back- let them do there thing, and laugh.. In the end I do what I want, not what I hear on boards.. I do ask for advice, but I know who to listen to.. I will be running a dbol /var cycle soon.. but i prob will loose all my gains and get fat LOLLLLL!!!!!!!

***xxx*** · 10-10-2006, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

yup.. my point exactly.. ppl like to talk and talk.. i let just sit back- let them do there thing, and laugh.. In the end I do what I want, not what I hear on boards.. I do ask for advice, but I know who to listen to.. I will be running a dbol/var cycle soon.. but i prob will loose all my gains and get fat LOLLLLL!!!!!!!

just because other ppl are not quite right, doesn t make ur opinion better than others. stacking two 17aa orals is plain stupid, and oxandrolon wont make you keep your d-bol gains. stack prop+oxa, then u got a dry mass cycle or a cutter, depending on your calorie intake. or use d-bol and lower you carb intake - then u can still add dry mass, that u ll keep.

anyways, today there are much better drugs than d-bol, so why should anybody use dat shiat...

my 2 cents...

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-10-2006, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by ***xxx***

just because other ppl are not quite right, doesn t make ur opinion better than others. stacking two 17aa orals is plain stupid, and oxandrolon wont make you keep your d-bol gains. stack prop+oxa, then u got a dry mass cycle or a cutter, depending on your calorie intake. or use d-bol and lower you carb intake - then u can still add dry mass, that u ll keep.

anyways, today there are much better drugs than d-bol, so why should anybody use dat shiat...

my 2 cents...

I've stacked 2 orals and had no problems.
How would anavar help keep Dbol gains? To me dbol gains are muscle, not fat/water gains. Tell me how dbol muscle gains differ from an injectable's gains?

**Liftnainez** · 10-10-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

I've stacked 2 orals and had no problems.
How would anavar help keep Dbol gains? To me dbol gains are muscle, not fat/water gains. Tell me how dbol muscle gains differ from an injectable's gains?

EXACTLY!!! like I said.. ppl like him I pay no attention to.. I let him just talk and he will keep preaching prop.. lol.