Hole in the 'Short Cycle' Theory.....

[vein-x]

a very educated post, only problem I have running HCG & clomid in the middle is it really has the potential to **** your natural system up because you are telling it to shut down while you are adding extra test to your sytem, then you are telling it to start back up, then shut off again and then start up again with pct....too many on and offs - keep em short, get your gains and get off, then tell it to start working again, let it work for a cpl wks then go again...

I just don't like the idea of such massive spikes in not only your androgens, but in stress hormones too... seems almost as dangerous as a long cycle in terms of lipid profiles.

[rock75]

I just don't like the idea of such massive spikes in not only your androgens, but in stress hormones too... seems almost as dangerous as a long cycle in terms of lipid profiles.

who says the have to be massive, yeah some ppl load up heavy - but you don't have to.

stress hormones

[mkrulic]

You don't have the ability to entertain a thought that doesn't agree with your CURRENT frame of mind. And for that reason, I don't respect you.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle

[RA]

Just so you ALL know--

I was NEVER legally banned.

As we know, staff changes have been made.

Yeah? Look under your name.

[marcus300]

Vein-x

There is no HOLE in the theory, the only hole is in your argument my friend,
There are many different short cycles some last 21 days to 6 wks so it all depends on what type,it does matter which type heavy or light it matters alot, NO one said that short cycling will NOT shut you down, were did you get this from another study what you have read? experience is far better than any study and with any study there is always a conflicting one saying the opposite, now back on track,

No one said they will not shut you down, what it is with short cycles is its alot easier to recovery and maintain after the cycle and yes you build more muscle, recovery of your system is easier than shutting you system down for 12-16 wks, shutting it down for 15days is alot easier to bring it back up to full power and if thats the case the maintenance is alot easier after you are going through pct and after, i am going to move on cause otherwise i will keep going on and on about this subject,

YES long ester can be used and i cant believe how you say you wait for them to clear after the cycle, no no no no you only do the long ester for the first part of the cycle then short ester are ran for the duration and up to pct, yes you can use long esters for as little as 2 weeks and they are very very affective, its not the long ester whats matters its the amount of mg per day you are using, also have you ever heard of priming the body?? this is done before any short cycle and this creates a very anabolic environment for the body to build muscle tissue very quickly, just like how the body does it baby's and teenagers no body will continue to build muscle over wks on end no body, doesn't matter about switching compounds the body builds up a tolerance to the gear and stops working thats why short cycling is far better than long cycles,

also it doesn't work like you said, time on =time off, you take enough time for your body to fully recover depends and varies between bb's, but i will say this it is in most alot quicker than normal,

each to their own if you have tried it and you did have the right compounds and you did prime and you didnt respond thats fine, shocking but fine its not for everyone i would do alot more research on the subject because many top bb's use this system and i have personal studies going back years to back my claims up 100%.

[Aliceinchains]

Although it's far from radical, it's smart.

If you're the type of person who fails to see gains after 6-7 weeks, and a lot of people are like that, why would you continue to run the full 12-16 weeks? By shortening up the cycle length, you have a better chance of making it out of PCT with more of your gains. If this is the case for you, you could, hypothetically, make more gains using shorter cycles than with the more conventional length cycles.

As for pro's using this type of cycling, you have to realise that the majority will never even come off cycle. So making it through PCT is not a concern for them. Their only reason to short cycle would be that they stop growing after a certain amount of time. If they didn't, they'd all be 800lbs by now. So they'll go on a small cruise in between the heavy burst cycles, which will usually consist of very heavy doses in a relatively short amount of time. Priming the body is the key in this case, as the simple idea of just maxing out your dosages isn't enough to see substansial gains.

I wonder if their nuts get hella small?

[marcus300]

I wonder if their nuts get hella small?

no they dont

[Aliceinchains]

Vein-x

There is no HOLE in the theory, the only hole is in your argument my friend,
There are many different short cycles some last 21 days to 6 wks so it all depends on what type,it does matter which type heavy or light it matters alot, NO one said that short cycling will NOT shut you down, were did you get this from another study what you have read? experience is far better than any study and with any study there is always a conflicting one saying the opposite, now back on track,

No one said they will not shut you down, what it is with short cycles is its alot easier to recovery and maintain after the cycle and yes you build more muscle, recovery of your system is easier than shutting you system down for 12-16 wks, shutting it down for 15days is alot easier to bring it back up to full power and if thats the case the maintenance is alot easier after you are going through pct and after, i am going to move on cause otherwise i will keep going on and on about this subject,

YES long ester can be used and i cant believe how you say you wait for them to clear after the cycle, no no no no you only do the long ester for the first part of the cycle then short ester are ran for the duration and up to pct, yes you can use long esters for as little as 2 weeks and they are very very affective, its not the long ester whats matters its the amount of mg per day you are using, also have you ever heard of priming the body?? this is done before any short cycle and this creates a very anabolic environment for the body to build muscle tissue very quickly, just like how the body does it baby's and teenagers no body will continue to build muscle over wks on end no body, doesn't matter about switching compounds the body builds up a tolerance to the gear and stops working thats why short cycling is far better than long cycles,

also it doesn't work like you said, time on =time off, you take enough time for your body to fully recover depends and varies between bb's, but i will say this it is in most alot quicker than normal,

each to their own if you have tried it and you did have the right compounds and you did prime and you didnt respond thats fine, shocking but fine its not for everyone i would do alot more research on the subject because many top bb's use this system and i have personal studies going back years to back my claims up 100%.

Hey, Marcus--
What does this "Priming" consist of?

[marcus300]

Hey, Marcus--
What does this "Priming" consist of?

The prime is a very valuable tool to have for any cycle-
This process creates a very anabolic environment so muscle tissue can grow at a fast rate when you start a cycle, there are plenty of ways this process can be done, When the prime is done correctly you will not believe how quickly the muscle gains come on straight from the start of any cycle,

You simply diet down slowly and lose fat, just like you do before a comp, alot of BB's who have done comps will understand this process and how much can be obtained at this special stage, Dorain was a big believer in this process and would be straight back into the gym after big shows taking advantage of this valuable stage.

I have tried many different ways with my own body to find out which one suits me better and i prefer to cycle my carbs 3 low 1 high, this will create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full in the muscle the result is more deposited into the muscle when you start the cycle and increase the food,this environment builds muscle tissue very quickly, if this is done correctly and timed right when you start the cycle, growth is amazing, i feel priming is a must when considering any cycle but it does work and is ideal towards short cycling.

With the carb prime rotation process i follow 3 days low carbs(40% less than normal) 1 day high (15% higher than normal) You must have a basic stable diet which you have ran for afew wks before doing such a process, i feel this isn't to harsh on your muscle tissue and the 1 high carb day offsets any potential metabolic slowdown, which is extremely usefull in laying down metabolic boosting muscle or at least saving it. if this process is not done right you will lose muscle tissue so carefull planning is needed to hold on to all the muscle gains and only fat loss and putting your body into the correct environment is achieved, when any kind of priming is done an increase in protein/aminos acids will help to maintain the current muscle tissue, also GH would benefit in helping this process, the high carb/low carb rotational prime diet also upgrades the receptors cites on muscle tissue for insulin , this changes the body's ability to store carbs as glycogen in muscle tissue rather than fat. The priming works far better if its done over a longer period of time, your after burning unwanted body fat and maintaining muscle tissue and a slow reduction in carbs towards the cycle start, will create an ideal environment for huge muscle gains. Also the last 5 days to the run up to the start of the cycle should be low carbs (40%).

The idea is to create an environment,and you simple take advantage of the condition and use it to spring board into a cycle, there are certain things what must be in place so you dont receive muscle tissue loss before the cycle but when its done correctly the gains are amazing, its a excellent tool to have on any cycle.I feel alot of newbies think that AAS is the whole key to building the perfect body but its not, its just one tool for the job there are many other things what come into play to help the process of building muscle and priming is one of them.

[marcus300]

I'm sorry bro, I meant lose dose per injection. Understandably confusing...



Funny as this may sound.. that cleared up 95% of my questions. I was under the impression the Short Cycle Theory was about to overtake all and even some IFBB Pro's were onto this new, 'radical' way of cycling.
Turns out it's nothing more than an alternate for those who are 'bored' with conventional cycling practices and want a slightly more healthy and less risky method.

Thanks buff

I think your abit out of touch my friend, the pros' have been using this method for years even way back from DY's rain who used this method throughout his Mr O conquer

[JiGGaMaN]

Yes? No? Let's assume yes and press on...

I stopped taking this seriously after "Lets assume yes".

[marcus300]

I stopped taking this seriously after "Lets assume yes".

Yes there is alot of bull written on this thread, shame really because the whole idea of short cycling is very intresting to bb's