Simple Bread and butter... need some help

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-12-2006, 10:16 PM

hey guys,
here are my stats:
Age:23
Height: 6'0''
Weight: 205 Goal weight:225-230 lean
BF: 10%
Cycle History: 1 previous cycle... 500 mgs/wk Test E 12 weeks (ran like 600 the last 3 weeks), 50mg/day Dbol first 4 weeks. Nolva 10mg per day and nolva clomid for pct.

I am about to start my 2nd cycle here in about a week...
i was thinkin of running a simple bread and butter cycle but could use some help to tie up loose ends...any and all cycle help would be appreciated
im plan on running 750mg/week test E for 14 weeks, Deca 600mg/week for 12 weeks, Dbol 50mg/day first 4 weeks(was just gonna run prop for first 2 weeks til' E kicked in but kept Dbol instead for increased appitite.), ive got letro on hand i would like to use to combat some of the bloating and water retention from deca and dbol, And again nolva clomid for pct. I also plan on running clen /t3 stack coupled with clean diet to get that BF down post cycle.

My questions are... how much letro would you guys say i should run everyday? ive heard too much letro will make you very tired. does everyone think these doses are pretty good for optimal bulking gains? also my main question is for the clen/t3 stack. Clen eats muscle and t3 is used to combat this somewhat from what i understand, well how much of ea do you run and how often? i was thinking 2 weeks on clen/t3, 2 weeks off w/ ephedra and repeated once more... dont wanna screw up my receptors though so is this too long? like ive said any and all advice would be appreciate. please dont thread hijack or be an ass though, i came here for advice not for a lashing.
thanks again
Maxx

**Kale** · 09-12-2006, 10:20 PM

Dude the cycle is good. I would not run Letro. Get some Adex it works well for controlling bloat and gyno and has way less sides than letro.

Now who told you Clen eats muscles ? Thats crap it does the opposite

**marcus300** · 09-12-2006, 10:30 PM

1st and 2nd cycle is to much mg of AAS, you should start lower just think were you will be in a years time with the amount your taking, 750mg is to much when you would grow off alot less especially if your a beginner and you have a good solid base and your diet is on check,

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-12-2006, 11:09 PM

ty guys, may be a little too late to get adex since its all already been ordered lol... will letro do the trick? and also marcus what would you recommend as dosages of these 3 for me and still to get good results? diet is in check

**V_Vandetta** · 09-12-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

1st and 2nd cycle is to much mg of AAS, you should start lower just think were you will be in a years time with the amount your taking, 750mg is to much when you would grow off alot less especially if your a beginner and you have a good solid base and your diet is on check,

agee 100% 750mg is way to high for a 1st cycle ... i would say 500mg would do you justice as for the letro It works great But if you run a 500mg cycle letro may be over kill and adex will do just the same but not as harsh with the sides that come with letro

**marcus300** · 09-13-2006, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

agee 100% 750mg is way to high for a 1st cycle ... i would say 500mg would do you justice as for the letro It works great But if you run a 500mg cycle letro may be over kill and adex will do just the same but not as harsh with the sides that come with letro

Agree with the above, 500mg is an ideal start for any beginner

**trulbfan3** · 09-13-2006, 01:40 AM

500mg is the way to go i would think

SVTMuscle* · 09-13-2006, 05:24 AM

Yeah 750mg was alot to start off with for your first cycle. Your not talking about running Letro PCT right?

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-13-2006, 07:03 PM

no no no guys ive already ran one cycle lol, this is my second one... on the first one i ran 500mgs of test for 12 weeks and dbol at 40mg per day for first 4 weeks... the above i described is what im planning for my second one which i will start next week and no lol i have nolva clomid for pct just using letro throughout until pct starts

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-13-2006, 08:52 PM

el bumpo

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-13-2006, 10:52 PM

sorry about the confusion read my edited first post

**marcus300** · 09-14-2006, 04:04 AM

Well you did say you started with 750mg for first cycle now you have edited it, but even so i do think for the second cycle 750 is to much, all you need to do is add another compound to the cycle and not up the test dose, at your stage upping the test dose will not give better results, try other compounds and see how you react,

**rock75** · 09-14-2006, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

at your stage upping the test dose will not give better results

very true bro but it happens all too often and the biggest reason behind that thought process is that their diet is not in check. I know mine isn't 100% and could always be better, but I will nvr try and compensate with higher dosages mainly because once it is in, it's in and you will react to it how you will and there is nothing you can do until it passes.

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-14-2006, 04:57 PM

first off my diet is in check i have my complete diet all the way planned out all the way through pct... now for marcus, ty for all the helpful info so you would recommend running roughly 500mgs/wk of test 14 weeks and obviously u run less deca so erm 400mgs/wk deca 12 weeks and again my dbol at 50mg ed for first 4 weeks?

**marcus300** · 09-15-2006, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by *_MaXx_JuiCe_*

first off my diet is in check i have my complete diet all the way planned out all the way through pct... now for marcus, ty for all the helpful info so you would recommend running roughly 500mgs/wk of test 14 weeks and obviously u run less deca so erm 400mgs/wk deca 12 weeks and again my dbol at 50mg ed for first 4 weeks?

yes sounds alot better,

***_MaXx_JuiCe_*** · 09-16-2006, 10:20 PM

alright cool thats what ill do then, thankyou for all the help marco, any suggestions for next one to harden up a bit after deca cycle? or just keep my diet super clean and lean and run letro will do ok?

**2bshredded** · 09-16-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by *_MaXx_JuiCe_*

first off my diet is in check i have my complete diet all the way planned out all the way through pct... now for marcus, ty for all the helpful info so you would recommend running roughly 500mgs/wk of test 14 weeks and obviously u run less deca so erm 400mgs/wk deca 12 weeks and again my dbol at 50mg ed for first 4 weeks?

Way to keep in check Bro, keep up the good work!

**marcus300** · 09-17-2006, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by *_MaXx_JuiCe_*

alright cool thats what ill do then, thankyou for all the help marco, any suggestions for next one to harden up a bit after deca cycle? or just keep my diet super clean and lean and run letro will do ok?

Like it, but id concentrate on this cycle first then we can design the next one, yes always keep diet clean just keep increasing the food intake during the cycle,

**guest589745** · 09-17-2006, 08:36 AM

Do you respond well to test? If not, I wouldnt go over 500mg a week.

I would rather keep the test low and run the deca higher.

Looks like a decent plan to me as long as you have your diet/training down youl grow. Deca was great for me but I messed up my shoulders. You will probly do fine with only adex instead of letro.