Orals for a sprinter (hellmask pls comment)

**Manpretty** · 10-04-2006, 01:58 PM

ok 5'8/155lbs/8%BF/23years old i dead 405/ bench 285/ squat 330
Ive been training since i was 16 where i started at ~115 pounds (i have a small frame) im want to put on a little size along with getting stronger/quicker
Im wondering if this will work at all

- T-bol @ 60mg 1-3 weeks ed
- winstrol @ 50mg 3-6 ed with the two overlapping on the third week
- nova on hand for pct

my reasoning for this type cycle is the shorter detection time of orals
hellmask id love to hear your what you have to say since i read in a previous post that you used orals for this exact reason.

ps this would be a first cycle for me

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-04-2006, 02:22 PM

Winstrol isn't the best choice. Yes ben johnson used it but it's not practical for an explosive event like sprinting. Risk of muscle/ligament/tendon tears are raised because of winstrol's effect on drying you out. Same goes with anavar and other cutters....Do you have joint issues to begin with, like tendinitus ect.?

If you do I would run Tbol @ 60mgs for 8 weeks along with a low dose of Test prop.
If you don't like injecting that much.....You could go through with either winstrol or var along with the tbol.

Tbol 50mgs & Winstrol or Var 50mgs for 6-8 weeks. Be sure to take gluccosamine & condroiton for your joints and alot of vitamin C, whilst drinking plenty of water. Milk thristle is also a valid contribution to this cycle to aid your liver. Tbol did make me alittle faster, So I think it's an alright performace increaser, But not a great deal. Winstrol is great for strength gains. Maybe even take some creatine to add some bloat to your joints while on.

**Swifto** · 10-04-2006, 02:28 PM

Good information. I'd also use Tbol.

**Manpretty** · 10-04-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Do you have joint issues to begin with, like tendinitus ect.?

Tbol 50mgs & Winstrol or Var 50mgs for 6-8 weeks.

thanks for the quick resopnce
No joint issues and is that Tbol and Winstrol or var at the same time for 6-8weeks

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Manpretty

thanks for the quick resopnce
No joint issues and is that Tbol and Winstrol or var at the same time for 6-8weeks

Tbol & winstrol 50mgs/day both
OR
Tbol & anavar 50mgs/day both

Whichever one u want to chose.

**cfiler** · 10-04-2006, 05:44 PM

Tbol does seem to be very popular with sprinters.

You could probably get away with tbol only, or tbol and var is a good combo aswell.

I'm not too fond of tbol and winstrol due to the dryness of joints associated with winstrol.

**Manpretty** · 10-04-2006, 08:38 PM

excelent, thanks for all the great advice

**FlyByU** · 10-05-2006, 07:36 AM

You got very BAD information there actually. Obviously no one who replied is a sprinter. 20mg/day of tbol is the absolute maximum you should take. Anymore than this and the pumps become way too intense, which will screw up your track work. Trust me, I've been training for sprinting for years and know a lot of elite level sprinters. Start off with 10mg/day. Avoid winny completely. Ben Johnson actually took it by mistake in replace of furazabol. Winny causes too much connective tissue pain.
MDHT is the best oral you can take for sprinting. You can go as high as 50-100mg/day with MDHT. Take pre-workout. Halotestin at 10mg/day is also good. With test prop, you should keep your dose below 200mg/week.

**Manpretty** · 10-05-2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by FlyByU

MDHT is the best oral you can take for sprinting. You can go as high as 50-100mg/day with MDHT.

right on, couldnt find too much about MDHT, just that its primarly the same as whinny except twice as strong, and im assuming it wont dry my joints out as much?
is there another place people generally look for profiles of chemicals not found on this site?.......i tried google but not too much luck

**FlyByU** · 10-05-2006, 03:33 PM

Haven't found a profile for it on any site, but google mestanolone & you will come up with quite a bit on it. Type mdht or mestanolone into the search engines of the various discussion boards & you will be able to read peoples' experiences with it. Mind you, you probably won't be able to find too many sprinters online who have used it.

**AaronJM1984** · 10-05-2006, 03:39 PM

i'd use t bol

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-05-2006, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by FlyByU

You got very BAD information there actually. Obviously no one who replied is a sprinter. 20mg/day of tbol is the absolute maximum you should take. Anymore than this and the pumps become way too intense, which will screw up your track work. Trust me, I've been training for sprinting for years and know a lot of elite level sprinters. Start off with 10mg/day. Avoid winny completely. Ben Johnson actually took it by mistake in replace of furazabol. Winny causes too much connective tissue pain.
MDHT is the best oral you can take for sprinting. You can go as high as 50-100mg/day with MDHT. Take pre-workout. Halotestin at 10mg/day is also good. With test prop, you should keep your dose below 200mg/week.

10mgs of tbol isnt going to do jack. Thats like running 10mgs of anavar ...

( I wouldn't expect any gains whatsoeva). If your going to use less then 30mgs/day of tbol , I wouldn't even bother running it...it would be a waste IMO. Might aswell buy some creatine and experience the same gains without the HPTA suppression. At 60mgs/day pumps were very well tolerated for me. But again I'm alot bigger than the average sprinter.....So that could be a factor.

You offer to use halo instead but winstrol and halo are both very similair in what they do. Bber's use them before comp to "dry them out". So wouldn't you say halo , winstrol, anavar, equipoise all dry out the body thus making a harder appearence? So they all dry out your joints in the process and they They all cause "connective tissue pain" and have with many users. So if a user experiences joint pain with winstrol ,I'm betting halo would do the same.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-05-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by FlyByU

You got very BAD information there actually. Obviously no one who replied is a sprinter. 20mg/day of tbol is the absolute maximum you should take. Anymore than this and the pumps become way too intense, which will screw up your track work. Trust me, I've been training for sprinting for years and know a lot of elite level sprinters. Start off with 10mg/day. Avoid winny completely. Ben Johnson actually took it by mistake in replace of furazabol. Winny causes too much connective tissue pain.
MDHT is the best oral you can take for sprinting. You can go as high as 50-100mg/day with MDHT. Take pre-workout. Halotestin at 10mg/day is also good. With test prop, you should keep your dose below 200mg/week.

Are you sure your taking tbol...maybe got dbol by mistake?

Your making tbol sound like some insane hardcore shit!

I've ran it alone and it wasn't anything that potent let me tell you lol.

**FlyByU** · 10-07-2006, 12:39 AM

10-20mg tbol is enough to stave off catabolism without putting any weight on you. Sprinters' doses are not the same as bodybuilders doses. Sprinters should take small doses of AAS. Even Ben Johnson never took more than 10mg dbol . If the dose is too high, you get too much hypertrophy & the muscle pumps become too intense to manage the track work.
Halo is good for sprinters at 10-20mg day because of its ability to enhance neural drive. This is mediated largely by its anti-glucocorticoid actions. It doesn't work in the same way as winny. On ceasation of the drug, winny actually upregulates the glucocorticoid receptors. Winny causes joint/connective tissue pain because it causes an increased deposition of type 3 collagen fibers.

**Cdub** · 10-08-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by FlyByU

You got very BAD information there actually. Obviously no one who replied is a sprinter. 20mg/day of tbol is the absolute maximum you should take. Anymore than this and the pumps become way too intense, which will screw up your track work. Trust me, I've been training for sprinting for years and know a lot of elite level sprinters. Start off with 10mg/day. Avoid winny completely. Ben Johnson actually took it by mistake in replace of furazabol. Winny causes too much connective tissue pain.
MDHT is the best oral you can take for sprinting. You can go as high as 50-100mg/day with MDHT. Take pre-workout. Halotestin at 10mg/day is also good. With test prop, you should keep your dose below 200mg/week.

No more than 20 mg of tbol is correct. i did 40 mg a day and by the 4th week I was cramping when I wiped my ass in my lat. My next cycle will be 20 mg of tbol a day for 6 weeks then 20 mg of anavar for 6 more weeks. then 2-3 of 50-100 mg of clomid.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-08-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Cdub

No more than 20 mg of tbol is correct. i did 40 mg a day and by the 4th week I was cramping when I wiped my ass in my lat. My next cycle will be 20 mg of tbol a day for 6 weeks then 20 mg of anavar for 6 more weeks. then 2-3 of 50-100 mg of clomid.

What are your goals?
THat cycle won't do anything.....
And you were cramping because a lack of nutrients or water.