A theoretical question about d bol and prop

**bor** · 10-11-2006, 12:29 PM

This is strictily a theoretical question because of a an argument I had...I didn't wanna be a smarta$$ since I don't really understad the whole androgen anabolic ratio in gear thing...

What is the diff between running 50 mg of d bol a day and 5o mg of prop ED - since they're basically both test?

Besides the sides that are going to be mre harsh while on d bol, more water weight on d bol , and the liver thing of course

**1buffsob** · 10-11-2006, 12:36 PM

Haha. Dbol and prop are not "both test". The two compounds are extremely different. Prop is test with a short ester. D-bol is a test derivitive.

The difference in running them is night and day. Test will result in more LBM when all said and done.

**bor** · 10-11-2006, 12:47 PM

Of course the prop will ield more results, just give me some more facts ciz I hate being stupid

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

Test will result in more LBM when all said and done.

really? i thought i read somewhere that dbol is stronger than test

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 12:58 PM

but then again, test prop has a half life while dbol does not, so the test levels will build up in your blood the longer you take it.

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 12:58 PM

instead of choosing between the two, i think id rather take both at the same time

**Swifto** · 10-11-2006, 12:59 PM

Dbol 's is more similar to EQ than Testosterone .

Its a 17aa so is a hpatoxic compound.

Not one of the more suppressive androgens, like Testostrone or the 19-Nor familly.

Used as a kickstart/bridge.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-11-2006, 01:02 PM

Mg for mg I would say that D's are a "stronger" steroid . 50mg of d's ED and 50mg of prop ED are def two different things. Even more so once you increase the dose.

You kinda answered your own question though. The "stronger" steroid will most likely have a harsher side effect profile and higher gains of LBM (we're assuming LBM is anything but fat, so muscle+water).

**bor** · 10-11-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Mg for mg I would say that D's are a "stronger" steroid . 50mg of d's ED and 50mg of prop ED are def two different things. Even more so once you increase the dose.

You kinda answered your own question though. The "stronger" steroid will most likely have a harsher side effect profile and higher gains of LBM (we're assuming LBM is anything but fat, so muscle+water).

This is pretty much what I said..

BUT the d bol couldn't be used for cca 12 weeks (prop could) and the prop woulm give you more positive (stronger) sexual sideeffects (IMO), right?

**Swifto** · 10-11-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by bor

This is pretty much what I said..

BUT the d bol couldn't be used for cca 12 weeks (prop could) and the prop woulm give you more positive (stronger) sexual sideeffects (IMO), right?

Correct.

Test Prop will cause the Hypothalamus to stop producing GrH and in turn the pituitary will stop LH/FSH. Therefore Testosterone will also stop. But it wont reduce your sex drive as increased testosterone levels do wonders for sex drive.

Dbol will only suppress your pituitary, though massive doses, or for very prolonged peroids, "shutdown" may occur. Your Testosterone levels may decrease and so will your sex drive.

*EDIT*

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 01:25 PM

i dont mean to hijack this thread, but does anyone know if winstrol shuts you down hard, or is it rather weak at supressing your body's own natural test production?

**bor** · 10-11-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Correct.

Test Prop will cause the Hypothalamus to stop producing GrH and in turn the pituitary will stop LH/FSH. Therefore Testosterone will also stop. But it wont reduce your sex drive as increased testosterone levels do wonders for sex drive.

Dbol will only suppress your pituitary, though massive doses, or for very prolonged peroids, "shutdown" may occur. Your Testosterone levels may decrease and so will your sex drive.

*EDIT*

FIrst of all lets do the first paragrahf (sp?) in simpler terms

sorry to bother you

ANd as for the d bol thing - you're actually saying that high doses (50mg or more) could decrease your sex drive?

**Swifto** · 10-11-2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

i dont mean to hijack this thread, but does anyone know if winstrol shuts you down hard, or is it rather weak at supressing your body's own natural test production?

I'd say its only suppresses. Though this can change from person to person and at massive doses. It lacks any estrogenic/progestenic component aswell.

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'd say its only suppresses. Though this can change from person to person and at massive doses. It lacks any estrogenic/progestenic component aswell.

great, thats good to know. thanks man

**fLgAtOr** · 10-11-2006, 01:41 PM

OK..this might be on topic...

Is part of the suppression/shutdown related to elevated estro levels or just test levels. I understand that the estro increases becuase of higher test, but does it actually play a role in suppression?

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

OK..this might be on topic...

Is part of the suppression/shutdown related to elevated estro levels or just test levels. I understand that the estro increases becuase of higher test, but does it actually play a role in suppression?

this is just a guess, but i doubt that estrogen will shut you down

**bor** · 10-11-2006, 01:44 PM

I'm really sorry to be a pain - and believe me I'm not one of thoese people who don'te use the searsc button!!!!!

But waht what does the anabolic /androgen ratio of a steroid mean?

**Swifto** · 10-11-2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

OK..this might be on topic...

Is part of the suppression/shutdown related to elevated estro levels or just test levels. I understand that the estro increases becuase of higher test, but does it actually play a role in suppression?

Shutdown occurs when too many androgen/estrogen/progesterone recptors become active in the Hypothalamus.

I guess if estrogen is high enough, that means too many estrogen receptors become activated and shutdown occurs, yes.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

I'm feeeeeeeling pretty confident thogh.

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by bor

I'm really sorry to be a pain - and believe me I'm not one of thoese people who don'te use the searsc button!!!!!

But waht what does the anabolic/androgen ratio of a steroid mean?

anabolic means itl add more size than strength. deca is a good example of a steroid that is mostly anabolic and not very androgenic .

androgenic means itl add more strength than size. halotestin is a good example of a very androgenic and mildly anabolic steroid.

btw, ive heard that steroids that are very androgenic are also pretty bad for your body

**bor** · 10-11-2006, 01:52 PM

THanks bros

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by bor

THanks bros

for sure bro. im always down to help out a fellow dbol junkie

**Tren Bull** · 10-11-2006, 02:08 PM

so you think running dbol higher than 50 mgs ed is a waste?

anyone else have some input on the subject? cause im planning on running it at at least 100 mgs ed on my next cycle

**jobyjoe** · 10-11-2006, 03:17 PM

So back on topic:

Since dbol is a stonger steroid (worse sides etc.) does that mean you would gain more mass (muscle) using it instead of prop?

**stupidhippo** · 10-11-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

anabolic means itl add more size than strength. deca is a good example of a steroid that is mostly anabolic and not very androgenic .

androgenic means itl add more strength than size. halotestin is a good example of a very androgenic and mildly anabolic steroid.

btw, ive heard that steroids that are very androgenic are also pretty bad for your body

the anabolic androgenic ratio is a ratio that is supposed to represent the properties of the compoun in commparison to test. (test has 100/100). It is measured usually by the action of the hormone on some muscle of the body (was it usually l. levator ani?) and then also the effect on prostate. It is purely a hypothetical index with some practical appliance..

**fLgAtOr** · 10-11-2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by jobyjoe

So back on topic:

Since dbol is a stonger steroid (worse sides etc.) does that mean you would gain more mass (muscle) using it instead of prop?

I say yes. More mass meaning everything but fat...so water and muscle.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

I say yes. More mass meaning everything but fat...so water and muscle.

I wouldnt go by what the anabolic /androgenic ratio says to go for putting a cycle together. That means Tren would be the compound of choice as you get "5x the gains"?.

Hhmm...

**fLgAtOr** · 10-12-2006, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I wouldnt go by what the anabolic /androgenic ratio says to go for putting a cycle together. That means Tren would be the compound of choice as you get "5x the gains"?.

Hhmm...

Um tren is the compound of choice.

I agree with you. But I thought that we're looking strictly at these two compounds (prop and dbol ). And I would say that dbol would put more "mass" on...not neccessarily relating that the the A:A rating.

There are of course variables, tren etc.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Um tren is the compound of choice.

I agree with you. But I thought that we're looking strictly at these two compounds (prop and dbol). And I would say that dbol would put more "mass" on...not neccessarily relating that the the A:A rating.

I wouldnt know from experience. I havent run Dbol , but have run Test Prop.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-12-2006, 06:41 AM

See the weird thing is that 50 mg of dbol would put on more "mass" than 50mg of tren ....

But then there's the quality issue and I would take the tren anyday.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

See the weird thing is that 50 mg of dbol would put on more "mass" than 50mg of tren ....

But then there's the quality issue and I would take the tren anyday.