Back to back cycles??? Urgent please advise

**beachbum28** · 10-11-2006, 10:31 PM

Hey Bro's, I just came off of 14 weeks sust and deca and have been on clomid and nolva (properly) for over a month and my nizuts are not coming back. Also, seems like I'm getting a little fat buildup and some muscle loss. Thing is, the clomid and nolva really messes me up..dizzy..headache, etc at a low dose of 50/20 I want to go back on the cycle and get some different pct for the end...Anyone do this before? Any problems? What would be a good pct for just a sust cycle, and maybe add in some eq or deca?

**Streaker** · 10-11-2006, 10:33 PM

The last thing I would do is start another cycle. If you are having this much trouble recovering from sust only cycle why would you start another one up with even more compounds. If I were you I would get some hcg .

**beachbum28** · 10-11-2006, 10:41 PM

it was 14 weeks sust 12 wks deca and 4 wks winny with pct. I don't want to lose what I got from the cycle and if I don't go back on I will lose it. That is the only reason I want to go back on.

**juicehoe** · 10-11-2006, 10:44 PM

makes it hard to recover. Ive had sucess with igf-1 or hgh to help keep gains during pct

**pumpd4lif** · 10-11-2006, 10:45 PM

get some hcg run it for 10 days at 250ui ed if by 7th day ur boys arent close to par up it for the remainder of the 10 days to 500ui while discontinuing the pct doring this as the tenth day comes about start a short pct for ten days
day
1# clomid 300mg nolva 20 mg
2#clomid 200 mg nolva 20 mg
3# clomid 150 nolva 20 mg
4#clomid 100 mg nolva 20 mg
5#clomid 100mg nolva 20 mg
6#clomid 50 mg nolva 20 mg
7#clomid 50mg nolva 20 mg
8# clomid 50mg nolva 20 mg
9# clomid 50mg nolva 20 mg
10#clomid 50 nolva 20 mg
continue nolva at 20 mg for the next 20 days at drop of clomid start 1000ui vitamin e ed u should be fine
i know the dosages are high for u with the clomid but just stick it out u can get thru this bro

**pumpd4lif** · 10-11-2006, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by beachbum28

it was 14 weeks sust 12 wks deca and 4 wks winny with pct. I don't want to lose what I got from the cycle and if I don't go back on I will lose it. That is the only reason I want to go back on.

false ur going to lose it cause ur diet and pct are week IMO u took the clomid at a very low dosage do to sides u should have went with something else then if u new that was going to happen bro just stick it out the worst thing u could do is go back on cycle use ur head

**beachbum28** · 10-11-2006, 11:07 PM

I know that going back on is stupid. My diet is still good and my pct started at 200 ed and stepped down to 50 ed. I ran it my last 2 cycles and was great...came off great..kept gains, etc. This is the first time with deca and it seems to be kickin my ass. I don't have deca dick, but sex drive is low right now. What can I do while I order hcg ? I guess try the clomid again. This sucks.. Thanks bro

**stupidhippo** · 10-12-2006, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

false ur going to lose it cause ur diet and pct are week IMO u took the clomid at a very low dosage do to sides u should have went with something else then if u new that was going to happen bro just stick it out the worst thing u could do is go back on cycle use ur head

pumped, u look like a pretty big guy, do u manage to keep gains? I mean do u still have the gains from ur last cycle after 6 months of non use?? Im interested cause no matter what I do I seem to slump back down to where I was naturallly if enough time passes without gear.. Im 270 lbs so im not small either... sorry for the high jack..

**beachbum28** · 10-12-2006, 09:20 AM

Thats a good question stupidhippo. I seem to drop my gains over 6 months as well, but I contributed mine to an injury that forced me to stop working out for most of that time. I think this will be a hard answer to get b/c most of these guys juice several times a year. I'd like to hear from someone that has juiced in a year and kept the gains!

**stupidhippo** · 10-12-2006, 09:36 AM

also who isnt under 200 lbs.. this q is targeted to those who are close to their "natural potential".

**Tommy Boy** · 10-12-2006, 11:06 AM

Try some higher octane PCT and maybe your nuts will drop. Your body could be used to Nolva & Clomid. Probably need t stay on Nolva too.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 11:15 AM

wk 1-3 HCG 500ius/ED (Mon-Fri)
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-4 Proviron 50mg/ED
wk 4-6 Proviron 25mg/ED
Creatine
BCAA's

Bloodwork done week 8-10.

**stupidhippo** · 10-12-2006, 12:37 PM

the proviron is sumin im thinking could really help... I know the problem aint in HPTA recovery cause I dont have a problem in that... even with aggressive PCT the end reult is same: I recover in a month, I feel fine and BW is in order BUT I slowly lose all my gains in 6 months... bit by bit. what Im wondering is maybe I cant maintain the mass Ive acquired which is over my natural potential.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

the proviron is sumin im thinking could really help... I know the problem aint in HPTA recovery cause I dont have a problem in that... even with aggressive PCT the end reult is same: I recover in a month, I feel fine and BW is in order BUT I slowly lose all my gains in 6 months... bit by bit. what Im wondering is maybe I cant maintain the mass Ive acquired which is over my natural potential.

I'd look into IFG/HGH.

Short cycles theory's.

HRT/TRT.

Bridging with less suppressive androgens and getting BW done regularly.

Using AI's when "off".