Primo vs Masteron and dosages

**Andros** · 10-15-2006, 02:37 PM

I was reading once again the steroid profiles forum and noticed Anthony Roberts equates the effects of Masteron with those of Primo at similar dosages.

Now a typical dosage for Masteron is I gather (correct me if I am wrong) 400-800mg/week.
However researching Primo threads I noticed a number of guys saying that they run primo at higher then 1.4g/week and the effects are magical.

My questions are:

1)Do mega doses of Primo really work?

2)As Anthony says Masteron is very similar, is it possible to run mega doses of it instead or is it not comparable at higher dosages.

**goose** · 10-15-2006, 04:23 PM

They are similar but they have differences.Primo will work on a very low calorie diet,the only AAS that can do this.The very best for cutting cycles.I find the best doses are around 1G-2G per week.

Masteron is great,levels over 800mg have done nothing for me extra for me.

**Andros** · 10-15-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

They are similar but they have differences.Primo will work on a very low calorie diet,the only AAS that can do this.The very best for cutting cycles.I find the best doses are around 1G-2G per week.

Masteron is great,levels over 800mg have done nothing for me extra for me.

What kind of results do you see with the 1g-2g of primo?

**skipp** · 10-15-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

They are similar but they have differences.Primo will work on a very low calorie diet,the only AAS that can do this.The very best for cutting cycles.I find the best doses are around 1G-2G per week.

Masteron is great,levels over 800mg have done nothing for me extra for me.

Doesn't tren work great on a low cal diet also? (Im just wondering because Im using it next cycle)

**guest589745** · 10-15-2006, 09:34 PM

Yes skipp, actually all steroids seem to somewhat absorb better with lower calories, there is obviously, pros/cons to this.

**BlInDsIdE** · 10-15-2006, 09:38 PM

although i don't have any personal exp with primo, my buddy does and 1g ew did wonders for his cutting cycle. i have used masteron b4 and with a low bf at 600mg ew i was looking shredded.

***Narkissos*** · 10-15-2006, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

They are similar but they have differences.Primo will work on a very low calorie diet,the only AAS that can do this.

re: bit underlined above

Primo is not the 'only AAS that can do this'.

Tren improves feed efficiency... meaning on a maintenance kcal diet you can gain LBM (to arguably different extents).. on a sub-maintenance diet you can retain LBM.

etc.

**goose** · 10-16-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

re: bit underlined above

Primo is not the 'only AAS that can do this'.

Tren improves feed efficiency... meaning on a maintenance kcal diet you can gain LBM (to arguably different extents).. on a sub-maintenance diet you can retain LBM.

etc.

Check out the primo depot profile here.It states only AAS that can do this.But I do agree with your post.Tren is very Diverse.

http://www.zupplements.com/steroids/...d_profiles.htm

**goose** · 10-16-2006, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Andros

What kind of results do you see with the 1g-2g of primo?

When your on an extreme cutter using that type of dose it made my physique crisp and carved in appearance in a way that no other drug can. It's the icing on the cake, so to speak. And while there are other drugs that can make you hard, Primobolan does it by drying the body out nicely without robbing the muscles of fullness (on a very low calories Diet).It`s art in motion cutting down to 5% with this safe pleasant AAS.

**V_Vandetta** · 10-16-2006, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

When your on an extreme cutter using that type of dose it made my physique crisp and carved in appearance in a way that no other drug can. It's the icing on the cake, so to speak. And while there are other drugs that can make you hard, Primobolan does it by drying the body out nicely without robbing the muscles of fullness (on a very low calories Diet).It`s art in motion cutting down to 5% with this safe pleasant AAS.

i agree with primo being very afective on a low cal.... but I have to agree with nark as well when lookintg tren and its effects on a low cal diet then the cost of primo Vs tren unless homebrewing.... even than running 1-2g of primo when 75mgED 525mg tren per week can yeild the same if not better effects .... But i know it's a personal thing and I myself am brain washed on sertin compounds

**goose** · 10-16-2006, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

i agree with primo being very afective on a low cal.... but I have to agree with nark as well when lookintg tren and its effects on a low cal diet then the cost of primo Vs tren unless homebrewing.... even than running 1-2g of primo when 75mgED 525mg tren per week can yeild the same if not better effects .... But i know it's a personal thing and I myself am brain washed on sertin compounds

``But i know it's a personal thing and I myself am brain washed on sertin compounds``

Well put.

Why isnt this guy a vet yet??

**Andros** · 10-16-2006, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

When your on an extreme cutter using that type of dose it made my physique crisp and carved in appearance in a way that no other drug can. It's the icing on the cake, so to speak. And while there are other drugs that can make you hard, Primobolan does it by drying the body out nicely without robbing the muscles of fullness (on a very low calories Diet).It`s art in motion cutting down to 5% with this safe pleasant AAS.

Sounds awesome. What about in a quality mass cycle, is it worth running it for a clean bulk?

**Random** · 10-16-2006, 02:27 PM

Sounds awesome. What about in a quality mass cycle, is it worth running it for a clean bulk?

In most primobolan profiles youll find that none recommend it for bulking purposes, however im taking Goose's advice and running it as a bulker as we speak...i will post results after its all said and done....CD

**vitor** · 10-16-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Andros

Sounds awesome. What about in a quality mass cycle, is it worth running it for a clean bulk?

Most defently. On a gram per week or higher, primo is a pure muscle builder. What ive noticed with Primo, the higher I run it, the more results I get.

**Random** · 10-16-2006, 02:33 PM

the higher I run it, the more results I get.

Lol thats awesome Vitor!!!

**vitor** · 10-16-2006, 02:47 PM

Now that I have tried both, I would say that Primo and Masteron are very similar in action. They both bind to the AR-recepter, more strongly than Testosterone actually, so they stack best with AAS that have non-AR meditaded activity.

I would say Masteron is a bit more androgenic than Primo, so if sides like hairloss is a concern, primo is probaly safer. Both of them are an greate addition to any stack if youre cutting or bulking imo.

**Swifto** · 10-16-2006, 02:59 PM

I'm trying Primo next cycle (homebrew) at around 600mg/wk. May increase the dose as I go on.

**goose** · 10-16-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Now that I have tried both, I would say that Primo and Masteron are very similar in action. They both bind to the AR-recepter, more strongly than Testosterone actually, so they stack best with AAS that have non-AR meditaded activity.

I would say Masteron is a bit more androgenic than Primo, so if sides like hairloss is a concern, primo is probaly safer. Both of them are an greate addition to any stack if youre cutting or bulking imo.

What can I say..My mate vitor has beaten me to the punch.I have been talking to vitor about primo suspension,you can get this powder.It`s going to be another level.

I like Masteron for bulking,only done it once.Masteron. Although Masteron is not highly active in muscle tissue, the 2 alkylation present on drostanolone considerably intensifies its anabolic effect. It can therefore be used somewhat effectively as bulking agent, providing a consistent gain of high quality muscle mass.Bottom line two of the best things I have in my bag

**Standard01** · 10-16-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

What can I say..My mate vitor has beaten me to the punch.I have been talking to vitor about primo suspension,you can get this powder.It`s going to be another level.

I like Masteron for bulking,only done it once.Masteron. Although Masteron is not highly active in muscle tissue, the 2 alkylation present on drostanolone considerably intensifies its anabolic effect. It can therefore be used somewhat effectively as bulking agent, providing a consistent gain of high quality muscle mass.Bottom line two of the best things I have in my bag

Do you think the Primo suspension will be painful? I'm interested as it would be a good bit cheaper then using meth enth.

**Andros** · 10-16-2006, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

What can I say..My mate vitor has beaten me to the punch.I have been talking to vitor about primo suspension,you can get this powder.It`s going to be another level.

I like Masteron for bulking,only done it once.Masteron. Although Masteron is not highly active in muscle tissue, the 2 alkylation present on drostanolone considerably intensifies its anabolic effect. It can therefore be used somewhat effectively as bulking agent, providing a consistent gain of high quality muscle mass.Bottom line two of the best things I have in my bag

Primo suspension sounds potent, would you have to shoot twice a day though?

**powerbodybuilder** · 10-16-2006, 10:29 PM

My favorite 2 compounds

**powerbodybuilder** · 10-16-2006, 10:29 PM

800mg Primo 800mg Masteron

**goose** · 10-17-2006, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Standard01

Do you think the Primo suspension will be painful? I'm interested as it would be a good bit cheaper then using meth enth.

You would have to shoot it twice per day.If you brew it correctly with the right oil and BA,it should be OK.Saying this I dont know anyone who has used it yet.It`s a very new powder.

**Titan1** · 10-17-2006, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Check out the primo depot profile here.It states only AAS that can do this.But I do agree with your post.Tren is very Diverse.

http://www.zupplements.com/steroids/...d_profiles.htm

forgett those profiles its been written by people that dont have evidence for 90% of the stuff they write ,i dont see a reason why only primo would work on a low calory diet and if this is the case which a highly doubt then stenbolone will also work because its almost identical to primo,but like i said i havent seen any evidence to support that claim and no studys have been made that i know of so i dont understand where these people got this from?!
And many of these profiles are out of date or they state things that are pure speculation like that Proviron works as an anti-estrogen again there have never been any studys done on the subject so they are only speculating that it MAY work or it PROBOBLY works because of da da da so i suggest that when people read things take it with a pinch of salt..
i´ll try Masteron soon for the first time i alsohave some primo but not enough but Masteron(homebrew)i have about 70ml of Masteron Propionate and 30ml Enanthate so what dose do you recomend ?
and i have about 12cycles under my belt and im 29 years old, i heard that there shouldnt be a difference in effect between 600 and 800mg but i dont know if this is true i was planning on running masteron/NPP/Test.
First 2weeks both Test propp and Test E and then continue with Test E only and at the end of the cycle switch to Test P and for PCT:Clomid/nolva/aromasin and HMG/HCG 2 weeks before pct

**Logan13** · 10-17-2006, 11:39 PM

I have never used Primo, but I am on my 3rd cycle of Masteron . I started out at a low dose (300 mg/week) to test my reaction to this DHT compound. Even at this low dose, I have never felt so hard. Usually about 3 days after the first shot, I start to swell and my workouts can get downright ferocious........Man i love Mast!

**IBdmfkr** · 10-17-2006, 11:48 PM

Low dose of Masteron and Prop did wonders for me while coming into my contest, I preserved most of my LBM and stayed extremely hard/vascular.

Haven't run Primo more than 600mg/wk, which wasn't impressive so I'll wait to comment on it when I've run it at 2g/wk for an extended period.

**goalseeker** · 10-18-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

I have never used Primo, but I am on my 3rd cycle of Masteron. I started out at a low dose (300 mg/week) to test my reaction to this DHT compound. Even at this low dose, I have never felt so hard. Usually about 3 days after the first shot, I start to swell and my workouts can get downright ferocious........Man i love Mast!

how was the effect on the hairline? I ran it for 6 weeks and I got thinner up top out front....So think Ill try primo next cycle...

**Random** · 10-18-2006, 08:51 AM

how was the effect on the hairline? I ran it for 6 weeks and I got thinner up top out front....So think Ill try primo next cycle...

For me low dose masteron was kinda weak--i guess i was expecting more but anyway it was just ok, i did notice a slight increase in hairloss, nothing crazy though..wont run it again since i think primo is gonna be my cutting choice...

**Standard01** · 10-18-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

You would have to shoot it twice per day.If you brew it correctly with the right oil and BA,it should be OK.Saying this I dont know anyone who has used it yet.It`s a very new powder.

Have you tried meth ace? If so, was it painful at all? I'm gonna get some primo, but can't decide which ester to get if any.

**goose** · 10-18-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Standard01

Have you tried meth ace? If so, was it painful at all? I'm gonna get some primo, but can't decide which ester to get if any.

The pain will not be from the ester!!! Granted I have heard the things about EQ ace,this is not the case with primo.Its all to do with the way it`s made (ie BA %).I would go for primo ace with test prop.

**twiney** · 10-18-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Most defently. On a gram per week or higher, primo is a pure muscle builder. What ive noticed with Primo, the higher I run it, the more results I get.

I agree.It is like test for me.I go higher it build more muscle.Remeber it was Dan Duchaine favourite steriod and he was the master.

**Andros** · 10-18-2006, 04:51 PM

goose4 are you going to be trying out that Primo Suspension any time soon?

What would the cycle look like, I imagine you'd be shooting Test susp to keep shooting times equal, right?

Would it be:

Test Susp at 75mg/ml = 1-2ml a day

Primo Susp at 75mg/ml = 2-3ml a day

**SnaX** · 10-18-2006, 05:13 PM

This has got to be my fave thread, as primo has always been my dream compound to run. And I will in a few months.
I am curious, as im still reading a lot on homebrew to educate myself to keep from making a mistake: Would it be possible to use the primo esters (ace and enanthate ) and the primo susp in a single blend? Or would that just be too rediculous and not really necessary?

**SnaX** · 10-18-2006, 05:31 PM

I want to ask one more thing. I was wondering, would putting primo suspension in eo be better? Would it slow the release of it? And if any pain, would it reduce it?

**Random** · 10-18-2006, 06:06 PM

Would it be possible to use the primo esters (ace and enanthate)

Certainly..ive seen a couple guys that carry it....

**goalseeker** · 10-18-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainDominate

For me low dose masteron was kinda weak--i guess i was expecting more but anyway it was just ok, i did notice a slight increase in hairloss, nothing crazy though..wont run it again since i think primo is gonna be my cutting choice...

me too... been hearing some good things about primo lately.......

**goose** · 10-18-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Andros

goose4 are you going to be trying out that Primo Suspension any time soon?

What would the cycle look like, I imagine you'd be shooting Test susp to keep shooting times equal, right?

Would it be:

Test Susp at 75mg/ml = 1-2ml a day

Primo Susp at 75mg/ml = 2-3ml a day

So I have just got my head around making my own gear,so the Experimentation will begin.

For me I only use primo for cutting,so Test Susp is not ideal.I like to use andriol as my test for cutting.

I was thinking as my next cutting cycle:

Andriol 12 caps per day (50 days)
Primo sus 200 ED (50 days)
Winny oral which I prefer 200 ED (50 days)

I really like the idea of this cycle,it will take time to be completly shut down,and by then it will be time to do PCT

In the 50 days I can do anything I want,if I need to cut down to 3%,I would just include a light 20 day DNP cycle in the middle.Why run a 12-14 week cutting cycle when you can do it in 50 days? In a method of madness its safer,if you catch my drift....

**Andros** · 10-18-2006, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

So I have just got my head around making my own gear,so the Experimentation will begin.

For me I only use primo for cutting,so Test Susp is not ideal.I like to use andriol as my test for cutting.

I was thinking as my next cutting cycle:

Andriol 12 caps per day (50 days)
Primo sus 200 ED (50 days)
Winny oral which I prefer 200 ED (50 days)

I really like the idea of this cycle,it will take time to be completly shut down,and by then it will be time to do PCT

In the 50 days I can do anything I want,if I need to cut down to 3%,I would just include a light 20 day DNP cycle in the middle.Why run a 12-14 week cutting cycle when you can do it in 50 days? In a method of madness its safer,if you catch my drift....

So you use Primo only for cutting? Are you against using it for a clean bulk or do you just prefer not to?

I was thinking of doing the cycle I outlined above (if i can get my hands on Primo base) Test 75mg/ED and Primo 150mg/ED. Do you think its a waste of time? Goal is to put on 17lbs of Hard Keepable Mass out of maybe 25-30lbs total gained (counting water and fat)

**goose** · 10-18-2006, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Andros

So you use Primo only for cutting? Are you against using it for a clean bulk or do you just prefer not to?

I was thinking of doing the cycle I outlined above (if i can get my hands on Primo base) Test 75mg/ED and Primo 150mg/ED. Do you think its a waste of time? Goal is to put on 17lbs of Hard Keepable Mass out of maybe 25-30lbs total gained (counting water and fat)

Arnold use to bulk on DBol /primo.Primo can be used for bulking (by tweaking your diet) but it`s not a big mass gainer.I dont repeat and use the same compounds in a cutting cycle for a bulking cycle,I have found this tricks your receptors.When I found this out the gains kept on comming.

I think you got better bulking options,but it can be done.I would just include an oral like Dbol in your cycle.

**Andros** · 10-18-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

Arnold use to bulk on DBol /primo.Primo can be used for bulking (by tweaking your diet) but it`s not a big mass gainer.I dont repeat and use the same compounds in a cutting cycle for a bulking cycle,I have found this tricks your receptors.When I found this out the gains kept on comming.

I think you got better bulking options,but it can be done.I would just include an oral like Dbol in your cycle.

Great I was thinking about adding D-bol to the mix, for how long would you run each compound if you were to do this?

Also if you don't mind me asking what would one of these better options you mentioned be?