winny q..

**fitguy** · 11-03-2006, 05:23 PM

does it suppress hpta,is there any steroids that doesnt?

**goose** · 11-03-2006, 07:47 PM

Yes it will suppress your hpta, Teslac and Proviron which I use are AAS that dont effect your natty,but they dont build muscle.

**mick-g** · 11-03-2006, 07:52 PM

There are no aas that will not supress your hpta. Teslac and proviron are not aas.

***BajanBastard*** · 11-03-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by mick-g

There are no aas that will not supress your hpta. Teslac and proviron are not aas.

Says who?

**mick-g** · 11-03-2006, 09:07 PM

Lol, says I. Ok i will find some stuff on it. Give me some time.

**mick-g** · 11-03-2006, 09:13 PM

Proviron , is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the
aromatization of steroids . Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only
blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents
the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water
retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses
the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs.

Teslac ,is unique in its effectiveness as an antiestrogen. Like Proviron, it prevents the aromatizing process of the steroids from the
basis. Thus, Teslac prevents almost completely the introduction of more
estrogens into the blood and subsequent bonding with the estrogen
receptors. Both are considered AI's (Aromatase Inhibitors), not aas. Both will not shut you down if taken alone. Ive used the Proviron alot, and it will also harden you up during cycle, and i also use it post cycle to raise my natural test levels and get my libido back up.

***BajanBastard*** · 11-03-2006, 09:37 PM

Proviron (mesterolone)

DHT with a methyl-group in the first position and is thus a steroid .

Teslac (Testolactone)

Teslac is actually a progesterone derivative but looking at the structure it can be considered an AAS.

**fitguy** · 11-03-2006, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by mick-g

There are no aas that will not supress your hpta. Teslac and proviron are not aas.

when we say suppress we dont mean shutdown..right?

**goose** · 11-04-2006, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by mick-g

Lol, says I. Ok i will find some stuff on it. Give me some time.

I think BB just kicked your ASS,LOL.

**goose** · 11-04-2006, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

when we say suppress we dont mean shutdown..right?

Correct.

But in time at a specific dose you can be shut down with any AAS.

Winny at 100mg for 6 weeks would 99% not shut you down,for example.

BG · 11-04-2006, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by mick-g

Proviron , is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the
aromatization of steroids . Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only
blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents
the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water
retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses
the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs.

Teslac ,is unique in its effectiveness as an antiestrogen. Like Proviron, it prevents the aromatizing process of the steroids from the
basis. Thus, Teslac prevents almost completely the introduction of more
estrogens into the blood and subsequent bonding with the estrogen
receptors. Both are considered AI's (Aromatase Inhibitors), not aas. Both will not shut you down if taken alone. Ive used the Proviron alot, and it will also harden you up during cycle, and i also use it post cycle to raise my natural test levels and get my libido back up.

How come you didnt cut and paste the first paragraph????

Proviron is a synthetic, orally effective androgen which does not have any anabolic characteristics. Proviron is used in school medi-cine to case or cure disturbances caused by a deficiency of male sex hormones. Many athletes, for this reason, often use Proviron at the end of a steroid treatment in order to increase the reduced testoster-one production. This, however, is not a good idea since Proviron has no effect on the body's own testosterone production but-as men-tioned in the beginning-only reduces or completely eliminates the dysfunctions caused by the testosterone deficiency. These are, in par-ticular, impotence which is mostly caused by an androgen deficiency that can occur after the discontinuance of steroids, and infertility which manifests itself in a reduced sperm count and a reduced sperm quality. Proviron is therefore taken during a steroid administration or after discontinuing the use of the steroids, to eliminate a possible impotency or a reduced sexual interest. This, however, does not con-tribute to the maintenance of strength and muscle mass after the treatment. There are other better suited compounds for this (see HCG , Clomid, and Teslac). For this reason Proviron is unfortunately considered by many to be a useless and unnecessary compound.

**mick-g** · 11-04-2006, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

I think BB just kicked your ASS,LOL.

Bro, no one "kicked my ass" I can bring many ppl that will agree that proviron nor Teslac are aas. Just because proviron is in a methy group doesn't mean it is a steroid , one molecule can change a whole compound.

***BajanBastard*** · 11-04-2006, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by mick-g

Bro, no one "kicked my ass" I can bring many ppl that will agree that proviron nor Teslac are aas. Just because proviron is in a methy group doesn't mean it is a steroid, one molecule can change a whole compound.

Seriously i would like you to bring them.

Testosterone is a steroid .
5-alpha-reduced testosterone is dehydrotestosterone which is a steroid.
Dehydrotestosterone with an added methyl-group is mesterolone (Proviron ) which makes it a steroid.

But don't take my word for it see for yourself;

1: Clin Lab Haematol. 1992;14(4):335-6.

Use of Mesterolone, a non-alkylated anabolic steroid, in myelofibrosis.
Sadullah S, Kruger A, Clarke N, Bell A.
Department of Haematology, Royal Bournemouth Hospital.

PMID: 1478014 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

**fitguy** · 11-04-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

Correct.

But in time at a specific dose you can be shut down with any AAS.

Winny at 100mg for 6 weeks would 99% not shut you down,for example.

so does that mean that running winny only wont shut me completely? i can run it while off then

**fitguy** · 11-05-2006, 04:12 PM

bump

**neverenuff21** · 11-05-2006, 04:24 PM

yes fitguy it will suppress youbut not completely, to answer your question. Every ones body could react differently though. I would assume it depends on how sensitive/strong your hpta is. I personally have run winny only for 4 weeks at 90mgs a day orally with much success. Not to say everyone will though.

**goose** · 11-05-2006, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by mick-g

Bro, no one "kicked my ass" I can bring many ppl that will agree that proviron nor Teslac are aas. Just because proviron is in a methy group doesn't mean it is a steroid, one molecule can change a whole compound.

Bro PM me your email and I will buy you a ticket with paypal to London.

Thanks

**neverenuff21** · 11-05-2006, 04:30 PM

Damn there is a ton of hostility on this board today

**mick-g** · 11-05-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

Bro PM me your email and I will buy you a ticket with paypal to London.

Thanks

Bro, just cause your a vet you don't have to be a dick. Really...common now. Iam a vet, Mod at several boards and i don't act this childish. Grow up!

**fitguy** · 11-06-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

so does that mean that running winny only wont shut me completely? i can run it while off then

bump

**goose** · 11-06-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

bump

Unlikely but it`s an Individual thing....We have something called trial and error.Try and get blood work done.

**fitguy** · 11-06-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

Unlikely but it`s an Individual thing....We have something called trial and error.Try and get blood work done.

what should i expect from a winny only cycle??

**fitguy** · 11-06-2006, 06:13 PM

anyone?

**pit_bully** · 11-06-2006, 06:41 PM

I ran a winny only cycle for my first cycle. I ran 50mg eod and really started to see results after 1 20ml bottle so I ran another one and got sick results. I got questioned from everyone nonstop. What are you on man? Peeps asking me in the gym what Im on etc. etc. etc. So then I just didnt want to stop cause I was reaping the benefits of the results. So onto my 3rd bottle 20ml as well. Well then the results started slowing down so I bumped it to 50mg ed and nothing more happend.

So I will tell ya I got great results, but I have to tell ya man it SHUT me down HARD! Or maybe soft depending how you look at it. I didnt do anything for PCT but some nolva cause I didnt do my research. I also didnt know about this board yet. Anyways I didnt ever think I was going to recover but I finally got the rock hard woodys again once I did 3 months of HGH. I wasnt doing it to get the dick back it just happend to bring it back about 10 years. hehe.

I personally wouldnt ever run it without test again.

I said this in a previous post but I will tell it again. I dont know if it was steroid related but 10 weeks in I was having pain in my nuts and when I got off I had blood in my semen. It did clear up in a week, but got me off the sauce quick. I think it was cause the winny.It was the only thing I was on. I know now I ran it way too long but hind sight is 20/20. IMO it will shut you down 100% but I have friends much younger than me that take winny only and have no dick props, but one of the same guys just couldnt quit and stayed on a year and couldnt get it up anymore. pretty sad for 23 years old.

My best advice would be to take test with it and PCT. Peeps consider it a weaker AAS but in fact it is very potent and provides very solid gains that do stick around when the cycle is over.

**fitguy** · 11-06-2006, 11:31 PM

how much did you gain?

**pit_bully** · 11-06-2006, 11:39 PM

Well I started at about 225 and got up to 245 and was pretty lean for me. I was starting to be able to see my never before seen abs. Id say 15lbs lean mass.

**cleared4theoption** · 11-07-2006, 01:16 AM

Gosh thinkin I need some winny

**fitguy** · 11-07-2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by pit_bully

Well I started at about 225 and got up to 245 and was pretty lean for me. I was starting to be able to see my never before seen abs. Id say 15lbs lean mass.

are you predisposed to hairloss ..i wanna use winny but hairloss is a concern 4 me

**goose** · 11-07-2006, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

are you predisposed to hairloss ..i wanna use winny but hairloss is a concern 4 me

Then just chuck in dutasteride in;great stuff.

**fitguy** · 11-07-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Then just chuck in dutasteride in;great stuff.

i have finasteride,does it work with winny??

**goose** · 11-07-2006, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

i have finasteride,does it work with winny??

I dont know much about finasteride dude

**fitguy** · 11-07-2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

I dont know much about finasteride dude

its just that i cant get duta where i live...

**pit_bully** · 11-07-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

are you predisposed to hairloss ..i wanna use winny but hairloss is a concern 4 me

No I have never had any hairloss. My buddies hair did thin out on the winny but HIS hair thickend backup after the cycle was over. Ive seen this three seperate times with him. Ive heard others say they have seen it thicken back up as well, but peeps on this board have had it stay thin. I am NOT prone to MPB that I know of at least. I never knew any males on my dads side of family plus my dad died when I was a baby so I dont even know if he had a chance to lose his hair yet.