Hcg

[hugovsilva]

Never really did a "heavy" cycle, just eq and winny. So my PCT protocol remained a simple shot of 1500IU of HCG every 4 days for a 3 weeks period along with nolva. Here are my doubts: next year I'll be doing 12 weeks of test prop along with tren ace. Being this a much "heavier" cycle, will there be the need to shoot hcg during the cycle? If so, which protocol should be used? Won't it somehow downregulate the receptors for PCT?

[hugovsilva]

By the way...which protocol do you believe to be most adequate for pct? The shot every 4/5 days for 3 weeks, or the reduced dosage (like 500IU) shot everyday for 2/3 weeks?

[HighandWide]

would go M/W/F for 3/4 weeks

[MAXIMA5]

I'm running prop and tren right now. When I have 4-5 weeks left, I'm going to shoot about 1000iu EW leading into PCT.

I, personally, do not use HCG during PCT. Just an AI and Serm, and Proviron .

[bigbadbootydaddy]

1500iu per shot is a little high.

[Tommy Boy]

What is the big f-in' deal with HGC. We have Nolva, Clomid, Adex, Letro , Aromasin . That is some serious firepower. I mean Letro alone can make a woman grow a DICK.
So...Can someone please educate me on the need for freakin' HGC ?!?!?

[MAXIMA5]

Hcg prevents testicular shrinkage as well as prep them for the recovery process during PCT.

HCG


(Human Chorionic Gonadotropin )

HCG is no doubt one of the most misused, misunderstood and underutilized tools in bodybuilding pharmacology we have available. HCG is not a steroid , but a naturally occurring peptide hormone, produced by the embryo in the early stages of pregnancy and later by the trophoblast (part of the placenta) to help control a pregnant woman’s hormones (1). HCG basically “acts” as Leutenizing Hormone (LH) in your body. LH is a Gonadotropin. A gonadotropin is any substance that stimulates the gonads (ovary, testes). It is heterodimeric (initiates prophase of mitosis) with an alpha subunit identical to LH (luteinizing hormone), FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone). LH is as stated above is called a gonadotropin because it stimulates the gonads (testes). It is produced in the pituitary cells and is made up of a beta chain of 115 amino acids and an alpha chain of 89 amino acids. In the testes, the LH binds to receptors on the leydig cells which in turn stimulates the synthesis and secretion of testosterone. Like LH, FSH is also called a gonadotropin. It consists of a beta chain of 115 amino acids and an alpha chain of 89 amino acids, the same as LH. Production and release of FSH is controlled by GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone). FSH stimulates testicular growth and supports the function of sertoli cells, which are needed for sustaining maturing sperm cells. TSH is also known as a thyrotropin and is secreted by cells in the anterior pituitary glands. TSH is comprised of a beta chain of 112 amino acids and an alpha chain of 89 amino acids. The alpha chain is the same as that found in the two other pituitary hormones, LH and FSH, and HCG as well. TSH is produced when the hypothalamus releases TRH (thyrotropin releasing hormone). TRH then causes the pituitary gland to release
TSH. TSH make the thyroid gland produce triiodothyronin (T3) and thyroxine (T4), which controls the body’s metabolism.

HCG is clinically used to induce ovulation and treat ovarian disorders in women, as well stimulate the testes hypogonadal (underproduction of testosterone ) men. It is also used in the treatment of undescended testicles in young males. HCG offers no potential performance enhancement in female athletes, but does prove to be very useful in male athletes especially those that use AAS. As stated above HCG in males is similar to LH, because they are similar and LH binds to receptors on leydig cells stimulating synthesis and secretion of testosterone, the use of HCG would be an added bonus to ASS users even if there is a lack of endogenous LH. Since HCG increases the body’s natural testosterone levels its use during long or extremely high dosed cycles can be most beneficial were the effects on the hypothalamus causes a depressed signal to the testicles. The result of the depressed signal leads to what is known as testicular atrophy (shrunken nuts). The use of HCG will send an artificial signal to the testes (again, as if it were actually LH), thus preventing (to some degree) atrophy. It not only helps to maintain testicular size and condition but it will also help in restoring testicles back to their original size. At a time when below normal androgen levels (due to ASS use) could become costly. Restarting natural testosterone production as quickly as possible is of a special concern in males at the end of a cycle of AAS. The price paid by bodybuilders for failing to raise natural test levels is the loss of most if not all the hard earned muscle you have gained, the main cause is cortisol. Cortisol sends a message to the muscles that is opposite to that of testosterone. If cortisol is not dealt with (because of an extremely low testosterone level) it will quickly strip away the new and hard earned muscle you have just gotten.

Some users find that they have better gains and quicker recovery while using HCG during a cycle of AAS. This first claim is more than likely due to the fact that the body has a high level of natural testosterone as well as that provided by the use of AAS, and the second may be somewhat justifiable, as stimulating the testes to secrete testosterone intermittently may aid recovery. Perhaps this is due to the maintenence of a higher level of Inter-Testicular-Testosterone (ITT) provided by the intermittent use of HCG, which should greatly aid recovery of the hypothalamic-testicular-pituitary-axis. An average dose of HCG during a cycle is between 500iu to 1000iu every week to every other week while on a cycle. In one study I looked at, a single injection of 6000IU of HCG elevated test levels for 6 days. That's why a lot of people recommend taking it every 3-5 days. We'd have more stable blood levels, though if we shot it more frequently. Remember, it's non-estrified and a water-based injectable, after all. In that same study I just spoke of, 1500IU of HCG shot test levels up between 250 and 300%. Taking it all at once however will cause an increase in estrogen levels caused by the aromatization of normal testosterone, the result may be a case of gynecomastia for the user (3).

As regards HCG's use of Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should very little from person to person (3). The Physicians Desk Reference recommends 500iu/day, as did the late, great, Dan Duchaine. The smaller doses are sufficient enough to begin reversal of testicular atrophy and used in conjunction with nolvade, will help the already present problem of recovery without raising the levels of estrogen to high and increasing the risk of gynecomastia in the user. Lower doses of 250iu to 500iu also avoid the further risk of down regulating LH receptors in the testes. The old saying more is better definitely does not apply to the use of HCG. You don’t want to finish PCT after using too much HCG only to find out your back at the beginning again. Your best bet is to start at 250iu or 500iu ed for 5 or 6 days, and if you don’t notice anything happening (nuts dropping and getting bigger) up the dose slightly. Small doses like 500iu two days a week isn’t going to cut it like some people think. The only thing small doses of HCG ay be useful (sublingually)for is reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (7). Yeah, thats right, you can probably reduce some symptoms of an enlarged prostate with the use of small doses of HCG.

As stated above the cycles of HCG should be in the 2 to 3 week range with a least one month off in between, you could stretch your cycle out to four weeks without any major concern if you are using lower doses. One should however take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the body’s natural production of gonadotropins permanently, but this is mostly just pure speculation as it does not have yet to be reported nor has there been a case of an overdose. To be on the safe side shorter cycles of HCG seem to be that of the norm. Most users cycle HCG near the end of a steroid cycle, you should start your HCG therapy on the last week of your cycle. For best results you should also run nolva while you run HCG as taking HCG by itself will do little to nothing and gyno even though rare may also flair up. Once the HCG cycle is finished you continue with your usual clomid or nolvadex (preferably the latter) for pct as it is more effective when used in conjunction HCG for pct. With an AAS cycle of 6 to 10 weeks HCG may not be necessary unless extreme doses of AAS were used or there is an existing problem of testicular atrophy or you are running a heavy oral only cycle. AAS cycles of 12 or more weeks should have HCG as a part of post cycle plan.

Since HCG is used to stimulate testosterone production, side effects can be the same as those associated with AAS, although gyno may be more common. Possible side effects of HCG use are water and sodium retention after higher doses are used. This is usually a result of higher androgen production. It may cause gyno (again if doses are too high).. Any athletes worried about failing urine test because of low levels of epitestosterone may find that using a dose of 500iu of HCG will increase epitestosterone levels. However the problem with HCG is that it is also banned by the IOC and can also be detected in a urine test, the half life of HCG is approximately 4 to 5 days. Another possible downside to HCG is that it to can be suppressive to natural testosterone because it takes the place of LH. Since LH is manufactured in the pituitary because of the response of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) which in turn is secreted by the hypothalamus. Because the HCG mimics LH and is being supplied exogenously the hypothalamus will be given a signal to still stop producing GnRH, so no natural LH will be produced (5). This is why it should always be used with a compound such as nolvadex. So although HCG is essential after long or heavy cycles, it should not be used without an ancillary such as (specifically) nolv. Also HCG therapy should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to stopping the use of nolva, or it may suppress natural testosterone itself (5). This should not be a problem if you are running it towards the end of your cycle of AAS and before pct.

The average price of HCG is between 10$ to 40$ per 5000iu with solvent, it comes in doses of 100, 125, 250, 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, 3000, 5000, 10000, 20000 all iu (international units).

HCG is readily available and can be found in almost all the places where you may find AAS. If you have a good source you should have no problems in obtaining this product. There are currently only a few fakes of HCG around, but most are few and far between. Since the powder of HCG is similar to the powder of somatropin often cheaper HCG is sold and marketed as the more expensive HGH (human growth hormone ) on the black market.

Written by Big Bad Booty Daddy, Edited by hooker.

[The OutLord]

3 to 4 weeks "ON" and after that 3 to 4 weeks "OFF"
also Use it 4 weeks after you stopp you AAS cycle to prevent Catabolt!!..
I assume The AAS is possible in still active!!.

Use Tamoxifen to The HCG to!!.

heavy cycle!!Hmm how much mg a week is that and how much androgen are we taking about?

800IU to 1500IU a Week.. Everything over that is possible not necessary.

With Frendly Greatnings.

[Swifto]

What is the big f-in' deal with HGC. We have Nolva, Clomid, Adex, Letro , Aromasin . That is some serious firepower. I mean Letro alone can make a woman grow a DICK.
So...Can someone please educate me on the need for freakin' HGC ?!?!?

AI's and HCG are very different.

[Swifto]

3 to 4 weeks "ON" and after that 3 to 4 weeks "OFF"
Use it 4 weeks after you stopp you cycle..
I assume The AAS is possible in still active!!.

Use Tamoxifen to The HCG to!!.

heavy cycle!!Hmm how much mg a week is that and how much androgen are we taking about?

800IU to 1500IU a Week.. Everything over that is possible not necessary.

With Frendly Greatnings.

Where did you get this information?

[The OutLord]

Where did you get this information?

I dont have it on my Computer..

I have read alot of it and i Know on this webb thay say that 3 injekt a week ore something is necessary.

But that is not The total True.

HCG is very fast and strong active substance.

It`s Easyer to say 3 injekt at a week is a risk to overload The Testikels.
We on this board hav no DNA ore Borne with Testikel obstacle.

In our case we need only to encourage/embolden a system that is under
shut down to start over agen and prevent Catabolt after a Cycle with one injekt a week!!.

Ther is no need to bombard the system!!.
But I shouldent say enything about 3 hcg injekt a week if the system is under
circumstance as Jay Cutler I suppose.

But enyway , I maintain my statement in this questions every thing is up to you , It is youre bodys and I have discuss this before on this board.

I am not up to a great discuss agen , I just share my knowledge and I know my knowledge work very good.

Just try.. honest just try.. I have some years behind now in Use and in
knowledge of AAS.

With Frendly Greatnings

[Tommy Boy]

Don't MOST folks go with just Nolva,Clomid, Aromasin , Adex or Letro.
How many people use HCG ??? REALLY.
I mean if your balls shrink down to raisins, yes. But if you're keeping an eye on things... Is it necessary? Or simply precautionary?

[SS1476]

Don't MOST folks go with just Nolva,Clomid, Aromasin , Adex or Letro.
How many people use HCG ??? REALLY.
I mean if your balls shrink down to raisins, yes. But if you're keeping an eye on things... Is it necessary? Or simply precautionary?

I do.

I run my cycles a little long so about
midway through,I run a HCG cycle and
also another going into PCT.I love it!
On my cycles,my boys tend to shrink
a bit,even alittle to me....is alot..IMO

[MAXIMA5]

Don't MOST folks go with just Nolva,Clomid, Aromasin , Adex or Letro.
How many people use HCG ??? REALLY.
I mean if your balls shrink down to raisins, yes. But if you're keeping an eye on things... Is it necessary? Or simply precautionary?

I agree 100% with SS1476.
Like Swifto said, AI's and Serms are far different from HCG. Read the article I took the time to post and hi-light for you.

It is precautionary, unless there is shrinkage, in which case it is used as a recovery tool.

Even if there is no atrophy, it stimulates (fools) the testes into recovering natural test.

It's so cheap, why would you NOT run it?

[Tommy Boy]

Excellent point. I'm running Deca /Test right now. I think Deca would certainly qualify as a potential nut shrinker. I'll pick some up.
I read your article on the benefits. Thanks, very informative.
It's another bullet in the arsenal against raisin balls.

[hugovsilva]

I do.

I run my cycles a little long so about
midway through,I run a HCG cycle and
also another going into PCT.I love it!
On my cycles,my boys tend to shrink
a bit,even alittle to me....is alot..IMO

How do you run your mid-cycle hcg? And in pct?
From what I understand you should use it 250IU to 500IU ed.

[SS1476]

For me...

I run my HCG starting around
wk 7-8.I'll run 250iu ED for 20
shots +-1..out of a 5000iu vial.
Then again the last few weeks
heading into my PCT along with
my regular PCT cocktail

HCG should only be used when
needed.My nuts happen to shrink
that early,so I want to maintain
the fullness.12wks..U may not need it.

[SS1476]

BTW....it's always good to have
some on hand,just in case you
do need it.For some...it may be
difficult to get HCG right in the
middle of a cycle,and not need
any other gear,couldn't hurt to
be prepared,wont go bad..IMO.

[MAXIMA5]

It also wont expire until you mix it, so I always keep a few around.

I'll also point out that The article I re-posted in this thread came directly from the steroid Profiles forum by Anthony Roberts. It can be read in it's entirety any time - all you have to do is click the mouse.