looking for advice from the experienced !!

**dstyle42004** · 11-08-2006, 03:37 AM

Whats up bros! im 21 years old 6 foot 4 and 230 pounds. im at about 15 percent body fat but would like to see that go down. I have been lifting for the past 6 years and have made good gains. im pretty happy with my size but i have a few goals.

would like to drop bodyfat. which i kno is mostly diet. harden up and basicly cut without lossing size and hopefully gain muscle. i am at 230 but would like t end up about 225 cut. dont kno if this is possible

i have been doing resurch for months but cannot decide what would be best. i have winny liquid oral on hand but i kno many dis agree with it alone. thinking about anavar or soething eles that would be on the safe side possible clen and winny? let me kno what u guys think! thanks

**hosam4ever** · 11-08-2006, 03:59 AM

5 lbs can be drop naturally u dont need anything but good diet & cardio

**Booz** · 11-08-2006, 04:01 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

**SS1476** · 11-08-2006, 08:35 AM

You don't need anything other
than being commited,diet & cardio

**The_Canibal** · 11-08-2006, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by SS1476

You don't need anything other
than being commited,diet & cardio

thatz so true ..but the man wants to come to the dark side...

now seriuously..get yo' ass to the gym and do some cardio

**dstyle42004** · 11-09-2006, 11:25 AM

ok guys i realize that to get cut im gonna have to loose alot more then 5 or 10 pounds since im at 15% bf . since i want to maintain the size i have now im thinking of doing alot more bulking before i start the cutting in feburary.

since winny is the only thing i can get ahold of im thinking of doing a 5 week high dose bout 100ed while eating my ass off to gain 5 to hopefully 10 pounds of muscle. i kno this is not ideal gear for gaining weight at all but its all i have so i want to use it
the question is can i put on 10 pounds of muscle during a high dose 5 week cyle of winny??

**JohnboyF** · 11-09-2006, 11:30 AM

Terrible first cycle choice... and dose.

whats your diet like ?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 11-09-2006, 11:35 AM

Taking winstrol would help maintain Muscle mass while cutting. So it's not really such a bad idea.....Would make a big difference than cutting natty,+ this guy has alot better starting stats than most on here who are given the ok to cycle...

6 weeks 50mgs/day injectable or 60mgs oral

**dstyle42004** · 11-09-2006, 11:38 AM

thanks for your input hell mask. so do u think i should bult naturally and then cut with the winny? or should i try and bulk with the winny and cut naturally? or do both with winny?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 11-09-2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by dstyle42004

thanks for your input hell mask. so do u think i should bult naturally and then cut with the winny? or should i try and bulk with the winny and cut naturally? or do both with winny?

That really depends on your goals.....Usually the term bulking to unexperienced means to get fatter....WHich only holds you back longer. For your goals I don't see a problem with running winstrol for 6-8 weeks at 50mgs. FIRST prior to taking anything, you should fix your diet to suit cutting to reach your goal. Have cardio/lifting/& Diet all down before you start. Then I can see your dropping some serious Bodyfat while keeping your already achieved muscle, and maybe even adding a few lbs...who knows.

**dstyle42004** · 11-09-2006, 11:47 AM

my diet right now is not good. i eat alot because im trying to get my weight up and am addicted to good food!! i am planning on an 8 week hardcore cuttin diet in feb

here it goes - 3 catagories of food- protien, carbs and free

protien servings-
10 egg whites
lean hanburg patty
chicken breast
turkey breast
whey protien
deli roast beef
cottage cheese
tuna

Carb servings-
cantalope
oatmeal
pasta
bagle
english muffin
bananas
patato
apples

free foods-
green beans
broccoli
water chestnut
zucchini
lettuce
carrots mushrooms

i plan on eating 3 carb servings per day

**JohnboyF** · 11-09-2006, 11:49 AM

Bro list you diet Like this

MEal 1

Meal 2 etc...

Just because u want to get big or addweight does not mean u need to eat your ass of like a slob..

hopefully hell mask can address your cycel. Winny only at 100mged for first cycle is not a good choice..

But re post ur diet

**dstyle42004** · 11-09-2006, 12:56 PM

thanks faizakafez ur stomic makes u look like u def kno what your talking about! i have not planned out exact meals but im planning on 5 meals a day

meal 1- protien serving, carb serving

meal 2- protien, carb

workout

meal 3- protien, carb

meal 4- protien, free

meal 5- protien, free

each protien serving should have about 40-50 grams
same with carbs

**SS1476** · 11-09-2006, 02:23 PM

Fez wanted you to list everything
your eating for each meal,not what
they consist of,so he can help you.

**JohnboyF** · 11-09-2006, 02:35 PM

exactly!!

**dstyle42004** · 11-09-2006, 05:17 PM

sorry fez looks like i have some work to do, i didnt think it mattered all that much as long as i was getting the right amount of cals, carbs and protiens.
do u have any samples i could look at?