cutting out the test

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 01:17 AM

since dht conversion and hair loss is in my genetics, running a multi-stack cycle should include what, without test?

tren (i know hairloss problems, but maybe my gen is different),deca ,eq,+winny

anavar or andriol ,eq+masteron ,winny

since test is my base builder, im having a hard time coming up with something that is equal to lets say a tren,test+eq,winny cycle, any appropiate?

i wish i could get some ****ing tren,1-test+eq & winstrol ;[

**fLgAtOr** · 11-12-2006, 01:20 AM

Im confused...You want to avoid test becuase of hairloss issues related to DHT.

But DHT hairloss can be slowed/prevented with propecia.

Yet you're willing to use tren ? Winny?

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 01:22 AM

well, from what i understand trens affect and winstrols effect is not from pure dht conversion, correct ? if test readily converts to dht in my body, and thats the main cause, why not try something else ? i could be way off here

**Kale** · 11-12-2006, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by odix

well, from what i understand trens affect and winstrols effect is not from pure dht conversion, correct ? if test readily converts to dht in my body, and thats the main cause, why not try something else ? i could be way off here

I am going to do the same thing but for a different reason.

Tren , Deca and Test but Test I will run at 100mg EW just so that erections and Libido can be maintained. Proscar will be run at the same time.

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 01:33 AM

kale do you run proscar indefinately after you start? or I mean, since you artificially provide yourself with test, hence more dht conversion, when your labs come back normal, can you halt the proscar? Maybe i will just run dutraside a month prior to my next cycle, im only 4 weeks into a test@500mg/week cycle and my hair is thinning to where i've noticed it, ****in sucks, take saw palmetto, ordering spiro and using nizoral, hell even started using rogaine which may be a mild dht-inhib.

**Mista Massive** · 11-12-2006, 01:45 AM

Kale, are you really permantly on test, if so, why?

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 01:54 AM

well, judging at the duration needed for deca +eq, tren , and winny, libido, how does this look:

week 1-16 test E@200mg/week
week 1-16 eq @ 500mg/week
week 1-16 deca@?mg /week
week 2-7 tren a @ 100/mg eod
week 12-16 winstrol

run letro @ .25mged and proscar with spiro

proper pct.

that just seems like more trouble then its worth, thats a shitload of compounds, i dont want to be a guinea pig, anyone with any insight on a good cycle without test, despite "test should be run in every cycle"

**Kale** · 11-12-2006, 03:04 AM

I run the Proscar because I have an enlarged Prostate. Its called Benign Prostate Hyperplasia. It happens to most men over 50. The jury is out on whether or not DHT, which Test converts too, actually causes the Prostate problem but its a possibility. Proscar is used to block DHT and there for restrain the enlargement of the Prostate if, in fact, DHT is the cause.

I will be on Proscar permanently, or until I have some other treatment that will reduce the Prostates size, or it turns to Prostate Cancer.

I am permanetly on Test because at my age its very hard to recover from cycles so I keep high levels of test artificially now.

It all works pretty well. But I want to cycle still and I dont want to risk anymore DHT than I have to, hence my interest in Deca (which I have run before) and tren along with a small amount of test.

**Kale** · 11-12-2006, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by odix

well, judging at the duration needed for deca +eq, tren , and winny, libido, how does this look:

week 1-16 test E@200mg/week
week 1-16 eq @ 500mg/week
week 1-16 deca@?mg /week
week 2-7 tren a @ 100/mg eod
week 12-16 winstrol

run letro @ .25mged and proscar with spiro

proper pct.

that just seems like more trouble then its worth, thats a shitload of compounds, i dont want to be a guinea pig, anyone with any insight on a good cycle without test, despite "test should be run in every cycle"

Why 16 weeks ?. Way to long IMO.

**rafael** · 11-12-2006, 03:07 AM

i recall hearing about decca beign used long term with little to none liver problems ...from what i recall they said a few years of using decca.

**Kale** · 11-12-2006, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by rafael

i recall hearing about decca beign used long term with little to none liver problems ...from what i recall they said a few years of using decca.

Only the orals really have an impact on the liver. Injectables bypass the liver.

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 03:45 PM

well in the profile it says to run deca and eq at at least 12 weeks for any results, so i was thinking 16 for optimal, do you think it could be a bad liver making my hair fall out?

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-12-2006, 09:55 PM

tren and winny would be worse on hair than test+propecia

u could also try test+duta. ar-r has it.

remeber u can run propecia/finasteride as high as 5mg
duta .5 i belive is max, but is much more effective from lit i read.

even though winny is supposed to be mild, some complain of hairloss. but propecia wont help w/ winny. nor will duta. with test, you can control the conversion. just us an AI also since lack of dht increases gyno risk

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 11:58 PM

dutra i heard takes 60 days to kick in...thats a long time. Well hopefully ill keep my hair on winny+tren , and my genetics are just from dht conversion, im actually thinking about cutting on the win and runnning masteron , test prop/test E/tren a/deca /eq/masteron

I'm going to be a guinea pig. oh well, too late now, got the 50ml jugs of all ;]

**odix** · 11-12-2006, 11:59 PM

dutra i heard takes 60 days to kick in...thats a long time. Well hopefully ill keep my hair on winny+tren , and my genetics are just from dht conversion, im actually thinking about cutting on the win and runnning masteron , test prop/test E/tren a/deca /eq/masteron

I'm going to be a guinea pig. oh well, too late now, got the 50ml jugs of all ;]