question for advanced users

**irondiezl3** · 11-13-2006, 05:16 PM

I finished my first cycle about 3 months ago and have a few questions.

First is it normal to keep most strength gains? Ive barely lost any strength in any mucle group or exercise maybe 10% drop at most.

Ive lost a little size but no where to the size before i started.

i thought you go back to the way you started? im guessing thats maybe due to me training hard after still and eating alot still?

also i know im gunna take some ridicule for this but at the time i couldnt get my hands on any pct's i know thats terrible but my guy was mia and i couldnt find anyone else. I was scared to death i was afraid to lose it all grow some females pecs get fat. But to my surprise i barely gained fat have almost all my strength and everything seems to be ok. Am i just really lucky or is it because it was my first cycle and I didnt go crazy on the sauce my frist time?

age 23
height 5 10
weight 215

**irondiezl3** · 11-13-2006, 05:19 PM

but one more thing i deffinantly notice the loss of the massive pumps,faster healing,and appetite so those did go away.

**Iron freak** · 11-13-2006, 05:24 PM

some people are dif.I never loose any weight,mabe five pounds due to water.but I play it smart after cycle,pct,still eating properly.but I have buds that loose it all and mostly due to diet and stop training.or you could have had bad shi* and the gains you got were due to mind control.so then you would not loose any after cycle.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 11-13-2006, 05:28 PM

I see a lot of guys losing everything after cycle. These are the guys who dont know what PCT is. You are incredibly lucky to have kept anything. I think it was very irresponsible of you to miss PCT.

**Vegas67** · 11-13-2006, 05:29 PM

You are young...have lots of natty test, good genetics, still training hard and eating.....consider yerself lucky. Dont let it happen again!

**irondiezl3** · 11-13-2006, 05:32 PM

i kno i had tests done doc said just minor damage to liver nothing to worry about and my blood pressure was a little high but i got it back to normal i train hard rest alot and eat a ton. But from what i heard i figured i just got lucky never would do that again. I wanna do another cycle not right now few more months atleast same amount of time i was on cycle but i cant stand the water weight. my face got so bloated i wish there was something that can keep it out of the face too.

i was really scared about not pct so i made sure to compound as much as possible squats,benchpress,military press,deadlifts hoping that would help keep loss to a minimum maybe that helped a little.

**irondiezl3** · 11-13-2006, 05:36 PM

i try to keep cardio to a minimum if i do it 3 times a week 20 mins max at a level pace instead of fast running can i be safe to not lose any muscle cause right now im only doing cardio once a week and i know thats not enough i just like bulking up but ive seen guys bulk and do cardio and barely lose any muscle at all. i always figured they were genetically gifted.